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Shinyandnew1 · 31/08/2023 22:09

TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 31/08/2023 22:06

The National Civic Service is exactly that really. Local, national, and sometimes international schemes enabling young people to contribute something to society (if they want to, and for 2 weeks)

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I was replying to another poster about National Service.

I don’t know what the National Civic Service is. Is it similar to the National Citizen service?

HairyMaclary · 31/08/2023 22:10

DS2 did NCS this year and I was very underwhelmed. It’s been watered down a lot from its pre covid / original incarnation. 1 week only, no real focus, definitely no ‘service’.

TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 31/08/2023 22:10

sadaboutmycat · 31/08/2023 22:08

Absolutely not. There are many hard working, volunteering, caring, studious, lovely young people who would utterly crumble in that environment. I would have protected mine in any way possible from it.

What environment?
Helping out in a charity shop?
Cleaning the local pond?
Playing dominoes at the carehome?

stripeyjug · 31/08/2023 22:11

@BIossomtoes I'm unsure what has confused you. 🤷🏻‍♀️

@Shinyandnew1 posted

"Nobody under 83 did compulsory National Service-it’s bizarre that people who never had to do it and won’t have to do it, are suggesting that young people should have to"

to which @Lisbeth50 replied "National Service was 2 years in the military, sometimes being sent to war zones, not a bit of volunteering."

My direct question to @Lisbeth50 asked whether it was compulsory. You replied to this question for some reason.

I'm interested to know that whether @Shinyandnew1s post that nobody under 83 did compulsory service was accurate or not.

Fordian · 31/08/2023 22:11

It'll be a couple of weeks of undirected, barely managed boredom overseen by minimum waged teenagers, the scheme all lavishly sponsored by the Tories paying Tories' donors' limited companies.

RancidOldHag · 31/08/2023 22:12

sadaboutmycat · 31/08/2023 22:08

Absolutely not. There are many hard working, volunteering, caring, studious, lovely young people who would utterly crumble in that environment. I would have protected mine in any way possible from it.

What environment is worrying you?

The suggestion appears to be a 2-week "civic exploration" trip. I doubt that would produce greater distress than any other field trip, Scout/Guide camp, NCS residential, other school residential etc

MrsSkylerWhite · 31/08/2023 22:12

ginghamstarfish · Today 21:11

Great idea in principle, but there'd be too many parents citing their little darling's 'human rights' or 'mental health issues' to get them exempted. There's no sense of collective responsibility any more, sadly, as we see in many aspects of life”

Collective responsibility?

Margaret Thatcher “There’s no such thing as society”.

CR hasn’t been a thing for a long time.

TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 31/08/2023 22:12

Shinyandnew1 · 31/08/2023 22:09

I was replying to another poster about National Service.

I don’t know what the National Civic Service is. Is it similar to the National Citizen service?

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Yes, sorry 😂 I always call it that for some reason.

JassyRadlett · 31/08/2023 22:12

Stratocumulus · 31/08/2023 20:50

This is a sop. An idiotic “opt in, opt out” crack pot idea. What the heck can be achieved in 2 weeks?

Id like to say more but the do gooders will flame me.

It's so terrible to be so silenced.

EVERY 16-year-old in Britain could be signed up for 'National Service' scheme
Katmai · 31/08/2023 22:13

@UnaOfStormhold That is one of my favourite ever clips from that series, and this thread make me think of it as well!

Fordian · 31/08/2023 22:13

But it'll never happen.

A Tory boomer wet dream,

stripeyjug · 31/08/2023 22:13

Bring back discipline in schools. 16 is too late.

I think it's better to focus on making the school buildings safe

stripeyjug · 31/08/2023 22:14

A Tory boomer wet dream

i find this really sad tbh. Why do so many older people hate the youngsters?

stripeyjug · 31/08/2023 22:14

Or at least that's the perception

WhisperingHi · 31/08/2023 22:15

If the details were agreeable, I'd be supportive of it. Bit of discipline, life skills, maturity wouldn't harm the average teen/young adult.

Anyport · 31/08/2023 22:15

The Armed Forces have already got a job to do. They do need need the additional unpaid responsibility of sorting out the welfare problems of today's society.

Agapornis · 31/08/2023 22:16

NCS can be great, but is delivered by individual organisations who need to bid on the contract for their area every few years. A really good London organisation (a charity) lost the contract. The new organisation (a private company) was shittier, had to re-establish partner organisations to do the volunteering at, but no longer wanted to pay the partner organisations' staff time. Obviously the partners declined the work, so fewer opportunities for the young people.

So the quality of NCS varies MASSIVELY by area and promotion of it is just as varied. It could really do with centralised coordination, but that's the Tories for you - subcontractors taking their cut everywhere.

TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 31/08/2023 22:16

stripeyjug · 31/08/2023 22:14

Or at least that's the perception

Perceptions are important.
There's only one age group coming under fire with abusive ageist language on this thread, and it's not young people, is it?

TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 31/08/2023 22:17

Anyport · 31/08/2023 22:15

The Armed Forces have already got a job to do. They do need need the additional unpaid responsibility of sorting out the welfare problems of today's society.

The NCS is nothing to do with the armed forces.

BIossomtoes · 31/08/2023 22:17

stripeyjug · 31/08/2023 22:14

A Tory boomer wet dream

i find this really sad tbh. Why do so many older people hate the youngsters?

They don’t. It’s just another excuse to stoke up intergenerational war. Penny Mordaunt is 50 - Gen X.

Anyport · 31/08/2023 22:17

Give the responsibility to the Probation Service, its their job to keep people out of prison.

Shinyandnew1 · 31/08/2023 22:17

Lisbeth50 · 31/08/2023 22:08

Unless I am wrong, and I have reread the article, the scheme being talked about involves volunteering, similar to DofE etc as pp have said.

National Service which men who are now over 83 would have done was full time military service.

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I don’t know why you are replying to me and assuming I don’t know this?!

Ted27 · 31/08/2023 22:18

My son did NCS twice, sadly he couldn't do the adventure week element but he had a great time and did some worthwhile volunteer work.

At the celebration ceremony I was in tears when one young person stood up in a hall full of strangers and said what the scheme had meant to her.
Unlike my son she had never had the chance to do things like scouts. She was clearly a bah of nerves but she got up and told us how NCS was the first time anyone had ever listened to her and accepted her for who she was ( I had a feeling she was gay and was struggling with coming out to her family)
She was truly inspiring and for her it was a springboard to a better future.
There were others with similar stories but she really stood out for me

RamblingRosieLee · 31/08/2023 22:19

@Pedallleur but I thought the "brexit gammon" were poor already? But it's for poor people?

stripeyjug · 31/08/2023 22:20

@TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon but people are perceiving the move to be nothing more than a vote winner with core Tory voters. The policy itself is pointless so what is the point of even making it a thing? Or do you think it's not a soundbite and actually has some merit?