Lucy Letby - new thread (part 2)

BingoBastards · 26/08/2023 22:36

I can't really get my head around it either

moomoosaka · 26/08/2023 22:41

I expect there was something. We just haven't been made aware of it.

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anonymousamy · 26/08/2023 22:42

moomoosaka · 26/08/2023 22:41

I expect there was something. We just haven't been made aware of it.

Do you think so? She just seems the epitome of bland and beige!

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Zaaarrr · 26/08/2023 22:43

I think it was normal in its middle class-ness and therefore normal in that many of us on MN can relate to that as an upbringing.

But not normal in other ways. Not wanting her to move away for university or for work going on holiday to the same place three times a year for decades. Taking both parents to the disciplinary meeting when she was twenty six instead of a union rep or manager.

Ohmylovejune · 26/08/2023 22:47

Even if she had no empathy or strange thoughts you'd think her normalness of upbringing would have made her stop and say "OK, I'm thinking this but it's wrong. Horrifically wrong. So I won't. I'll go get a coffee"

mousehole · 26/08/2023 23:00

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marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 26/08/2023 23:16

I think she was very angry, and hid it well.

IfICantHaveYou · 26/08/2023 23:16

Wonder if she's put in a visiting order for her parents to visit her in prison

mikado1 · 26/08/2023 23:18

There's always something, imo.

SquirrelFeeder · 26/08/2023 23:25

I saw a reallllllly interesting account from someone who was in court during her cross examination. I'll see if I can find a link. He basically said that whilst she kept this softly spoken, very clinical demeanour throughout, there was ONE brief moment when she snapped at the Barrister cross examining her.
The Barrister mentioned one of the victims' mother's name (wasn't said on this person's video obviously). So he said:
"Victim X's mother has quite an unusual name, doesn't she?
Letby: "Er, yeah..."
Barrister: "Yeah quite long & confusing...Wouldn't you say?"
Letby: "Yes........."
Barrister: "Quite uncommon and different, isn't it?"
Then Letby snapped "YES!!!!!!!" and apparently dropped character and glared at the barrister with what this guy described as a look of evil.

HappiDaze · 26/08/2023 23:27

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HappiDaze · 26/08/2023 23:29

I wonder if perhaps she was jealous of the love of the parents to each other and their babies and wanted to destroy that love they had

Anotherchristianmama · 26/08/2023 23:35

anonymousamy · 26/08/2023 22:32

A thread for anyone who was on the last one and wanted to continue the discussion.

What I cannot wrap my head around is Letby’s seemingly completely normal upbringing. Usually serial killers have displayed some kind of markers by the time they start killing, but AFAIK she literally had none. 100% believe she is guilty BTW - just cannot begin to understand it.

But we don't know this. Her parents might have been horribly abusive for all we know.

MikeRafone · 26/08/2023 23:41

An interesting interview with a chap on TikTok called Scott McLachan, what he is basically suggesting that the 'Texas sharpshooter fallacy' was used by the police and then the prosecution..

MajesticWhine · 26/08/2023 23:52

I think I have more faith in the justice system, including years of painstaking investigation and then a 10 month trial, than I do in some guys theory on Tiktok.

HappiDaze · 26/08/2023 23:59

My message was deleted because I quoted a PP and mentioned LL parents

HappiDaze · 27/08/2023 00:01

It is strange though how overly involved her parents were in her work life.

Particularly attending her disciplinary meeting especially at her age.

I find that really really odd and unusual

MajesticWhine · 27/08/2023 00:12

I agree @HappiDaze - I posted about this on another thread but I think the odd and intense relationship with her parents was probably a part of her motive. I think she failed to psychologically separate from them.

MikeRafone · 27/08/2023 01:03

MajesticWhine. Was it all circumstantial? as was this https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/australia-kathleen-folbigg-pardoned-children-natural-causes-rcna87663

Mother is pardoned after 20 years in prison over deaths of her 4 children

A judicial inquiry found that new scientific evidence supported Kathleen Folbigg’s insistence that her children died of natural causes.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/australia-kathleen-folbigg-pardoned-children-natural-causes-rcna87663

Hawkins009 · 27/08/2023 01:06

SquirrelFeeder · 26/08/2023 23:25

I saw a reallllllly interesting account from someone who was in court during her cross examination. I'll see if I can find a link. He basically said that whilst she kept this softly spoken, very clinical demeanour throughout, there was ONE brief moment when she snapped at the Barrister cross examining her.
The Barrister mentioned one of the victims' mother's name (wasn't said on this person's video obviously). So he said:
"Victim X's mother has quite an unusual name, doesn't she?
Letby: "Er, yeah..."
Barrister: "Yeah quite long & confusing...Wouldn't you say?"
Letby: "Yes........."
Barrister: "Quite uncommon and different, isn't it?"
Then Letby snapped "YES!!!!!!!" and apparently dropped character and glared at the barrister with what this guy described as a look of evil.

That seems odd line of questioning almost to unbalance or cause emotional response.

Why was that line of questioning used?

Hawkins009 · 27/08/2023 01:11

MajesticWhine · 26/08/2023 23:52

I think I have more faith in the justice system, including years of painstaking investigation and then a 10 month trial, than I do in some guys theory on Tiktok.

How can we have true faith in a jury that have to rely on experts to interpret the information , then how can we be sure the jury give cases their full attention, how can there be no influence if any of the jury members research the case they are on etc.

MikeRafone · 27/08/2023 01:23

The plumber is an interesting witness

Startyabastard · 27/08/2023 01:23

A psycho analyst on good morning Britain thinks Letby was a psychopath and that she was horn with it.

Startyabastard · 27/08/2023 01:24

Don't think I am making excuses for her.

MikeRafone · 27/08/2023 01:25

Hawkins009 · 27/08/2023 01:11

How can we have true faith in a jury that have to rely on experts to interpret the information , then how can we be sure the jury give cases their full attention, how can there be no influence if any of the jury members research the case they are on etc.

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Was Evans actually an expert witness? Why did he approach the police as an expert witness? How much money did he make from it and how could he be impartial?