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Sara Sharif

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mauvish · 20/08/2023 18:42

Sara, aged 10, was found dead in the family home.

The police "want to speak" with Sara's father and his partner, who flew to Pakistan the day before Sara's body was found, and then phoned (don't know who) from there:

The call led officers to the house in Woking where they found the body of Sara who had sustained "multiple and extensive injuries", likely to have been caused over a sustained period of time.

Another child suffers at the hands of those who should care. I hope they get them back from Pakistan but I wonder what the chances of that are.

RIP, Sara.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-66563430

Sara Sharif

Sara Sharif murder inquiry: Girl known to authorities, council says

Surrey County Council says it is "working tirelessly" to understand what happened to Sara.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-66563430

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Pink39tree · 24/08/2023 22:48

FlamingYam · 24/08/2023 22:23

With the now deleted note update, I agree with PPs that the police have likely requested minimal media rather than my assumption as to why it wasn't reported. Ridiculous they would post something tantos obviously puts another child in danger.

I can't stop thinking about the poor girl, her brother and her mother.

Has it been deleted, only on the daily Mail. The mirror still has the note up. Even if it’s deleted now it’s been up for 23 hours so I’m sure it’s been reported on elsewhere

Evieanne · 24/08/2023 23:08

It wouldn’t have been any of the kids that wrote the letter, they wouldn’t have had any choice to “run away” as the letter implies. It’ll have been one of the three adults who had written it

HiHoHiHoltsOffToWorkWeGo · 25/08/2023 00:18

Either a 13 year old (or younger) child had incredible presence of mind to think that the home was inevitably going to be searched when they found Sara, and left a hidden note, and also chose rather odd language around 'I am running away'

...or it's one of the adults trying to shift the blame.

I can only hope that Sara was the victim of the 'Cinderella phenomenon' where one child is the sole target for abuse, as otherwise the remaining children are in great danger and will struggle to seek help from the authorities.

FlamingYam · 25/08/2023 03:33

@Pink39tree I clicked on the mirror link below which had page not found so thought deleted everywhere. I also haven't received a sky news notification on it.

@Evieanne possibly her other siblings but I imagine there is a two tier system of children in the household. The two step children being victims and the children being safe. Of course, if they saw anything then of course I feel for them.

sentinent · 25/08/2023 07:10

Evieanne · 24/08/2023 23:08

It wouldn’t have been any of the kids that wrote the letter, they wouldn’t have had any choice to “run away” as the letter implies. It’ll have been one of the three adults who had written it

@Evieanne agree with this. Also more likely that an adult would anticipate a search and some theory finding it.

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 25/08/2023 08:03

This should be talked about more frequently and openly. It’s horrific.

FerryPink · 25/08/2023 08:13

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 25/08/2023 08:03

This should be talked about more frequently and openly. It’s horrific.

Agreed
This is the reality

When my son disclosed what his dad was doing I remember being utterly frozen with fear and distress. The right thing to do was to stop contact and ask the court to review the disclosures. But I knew that in doing so I ran a tremendous risk that everything could be twisted and the court would remove contact from me

In the end, despite my son also disclosing to school, despite all evidence of dads abuse to me, once we got to court dad was awarded more contact (thanks to an incredibly naive cafcass officer who he charmed).

The family court system is a Kafkaesque nightmare. And that's my experience as an articulate legal professional with medical reports, school disclosures and police records as evidence

helpddgrow · 25/08/2023 09:22

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heartofglass23 · 25/08/2023 10:51

Children removed from mother then killed in the care of the father. How many times does this have to happen for the family courts to be opened up to scrutiny??

Thekidsarefightingagain · 25/08/2023 11:33

Seems to be a common thing in domestic abuse situations where the person being abused (usually the mother) is the one who gets put under huge scrutiny, especially if they develop depression or anxiety because of the abuse, rather than the perpetrator. I would never have believed it until I saw it happen to others. I just can't get my head around why this happens.

FerryPink · 25/08/2023 11:42

Thekidsarefightingagain · 25/08/2023 11:33

Seems to be a common thing in domestic abuse situations where the person being abused (usually the mother) is the one who gets put under huge scrutiny, especially if they develop depression or anxiety because of the abuse, rather than the perpetrator. I would never have believed it until I saw it happen to others. I just can't get my head around why this happens.

Agreed. I expect it's a combination of factors

  • lack of funding (meaning poorly skilled , over stretched cafcass officers, with no training on weighting or assessing evidence and no skills or time to build up a relationship with the children they question)
  • inbuilt misogyny in the system (particularly as many judges are male)

-ignorance of how abusers and victims of abuse present (lack of training for judges and cafcass)

  • a policy driven agenda of pushing for shared care /access for dads at almost any cost

(I know of someone who was appointed at a senior level in cafcass, joining from outside with highly relevant experience, and resigned in disgust when they realized the agendas they worked to and prioritised above child safety at this very senior level)

cato40 · 25/08/2023 14:43

heartofglass23 · 25/08/2023 10:51

Children removed from mother then killed in the care of the father. How many times does this have to happen for the family courts to be opened up to scrutiny??

That a million times!!!
It happens so often in the UK, so much bias and misogyny and no scrutiny.

SerendipityJane · 25/08/2023 15:40

Considering how many people of Pakistani origin there are in the UK (by which I mean the number of people that could rock up in Islamabad as Pakistani citizens) the absence of an extradition treaty (and presumably lack of worry on the UKs part of such) does seem an interesting chink in the international game of law and order. Not least because as we are now reading, this lack seriously crimps the Pakistani authorities powers in such matters.

Dramatico · 25/08/2023 16:21

Pink39tree · 24/08/2023 17:57

Someone mentioned it earlier but I can’t stop thinking about how they would have probably had to walk over her dying body to rush around booking last minute flights tickets/airport transfers and packing their bags. Or at least they would have had to move her body out of the way, then put it back under the stairs (if supposedly what the uncle said holds any weight that she fell down the stairs). Did the siblings see her? What did they tell them when they asked why Sara isn’t coming. Fly night little Sara 💔

I would imagine that they would have placed her post mortem (and post packing - if they packed - I reckon they high-tailed it out of there, the cowards).

The autopsy will show whether the placing occurred post mortem from lividity. The body is the best evidence, and the best canvas for justice to be done.

CriticalAlert · 25/08/2023 17:47

Something very unpleasant has obviously happened. Poor kid. WHY has she got make up on in the photo? I knew a family where the father was Pakistani and the mother was white Irish. He treated her like shit, then brought his girlfriends over from Pakistan and treated them like shit. Appalling bastard. I'm not saying all Pakistani men are like this, but the culture is misogynistic, women are not highly regarded.

Truthspeaker10 · 27/08/2023 14:48

citygirl1234567 · 20/08/2023 21:45

Most likely and common reason why mother doesn't get custody is because she suffered abuse on hands of husband and disclosed that to family court.
Court encourages this sort of abuse sadly by quite often taking kids away from loving mother and giving custody to abusive father. Happens a lot.

Utter nonsense. Children are immediately removed from fathers who have allegedly been abusive

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TheBeesKnee · 03/09/2023 21:45

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I'm guessing guilt over leaving her body to decompose in the family home?

I don't think he did it. I think it might have been the brother or wife.

Dramatico · 04/09/2023 08:30

TheBeesKnee · 03/09/2023 21:45

I'm guessing guilt over leaving her body to decompose in the family home?

I don't think he did it. I think it might have been the brother or wife.

Statistically speaking step parents are more likely to kill children than bio parents so yes possibly. The Sunday Times article yesterday suggests that a hardline Islamic regime was imposed on poor Sara but not on any of the other children, nor the step mum. Neighbours were concerned for Sara as she seemed serious and withdrawn and was taken out of school. It's so, so sad.

I'm concerned that the Pakistani authorities seem to be taking a very laissez faire attitude to arresting the family. Based on what local family have said to the press, they've been quite open in going from house to house and leaving a trail behind them, it's not like they're in deep hiding. I know Pakistan doesn't value women and girls, but it's still so sad to me.

PollyThePixie · 04/09/2023 10:09

The Sunday Times article yesterday suggests that a hardline Islamic regime was imposed on poor Sara but not on any of the other children, nor the step mum

That may well have been to counteract the fact her mum was a ‘kaffir’ so to speak. The mentality being that we should double down on bringing her up as a Muslim just in case her mothers side is strong within her.

Dramatico · 04/09/2023 10:23

PollyThePixie · 04/09/2023 10:09

The Sunday Times article yesterday suggests that a hardline Islamic regime was imposed on poor Sara but not on any of the other children, nor the step mum

That may well have been to counteract the fact her mum was a ‘kaffir’ so to speak. The mentality being that we should double down on bringing her up as a Muslim just in case her mothers side is strong within her.

Mmmmm I don't know about that, there's no mention of the other 'step child' (ie the other child not born of Beinash) being subject to a similar approach.

Statistically abused children are often singled out / scapegoated whilst other children in the family have 'normal' upbringings, in the absence of any actual evidence or information then this is the view I would tend to take.

PollyThePixie · 04/09/2023 10:40

Mmmmm I don't know about that,

Because of my background Im familiar with the mentality and believe it’s a possibility but perhaps you’re correct.

dontbepetty · 04/09/2023 13:31

umm I think your being completely naive. Ive worked in the domestic abuse arena for years, and countless times, they seem to favour the father when it goes to court. the family court system is an utter disgrace in many cases Im afraid.

CrabbiesGingerBeer · 04/09/2023 18:19

Truthspeaker10 · 27/08/2023 14:48

Utter nonsense. Children are immediately removed from fathers who have allegedly been abusive

In which country? Because that certainly doesn’t happen in the UK. See the article to the contrary on the BBC website today.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66531409

The back of a girl's head

Family courts: Children forced into contact with fathers accused of abuse

In some cases, family courts ordered a child to live with a paedophile, a BBC investigation finds.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66531409

Laboriprofumi · 04/09/2023 21:26

Truthspeaker10 · 27/08/2023 14:48

Utter nonsense. Children are immediately removed from fathers who have allegedly been abusive

Utter nonsense is it...wish it was.. Here's an article detailing similar issues in BBC today. The cases reported are tear inducing. Speculating what happened to the mum of course, but this is so horrifying.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66531409

The back of a girl's head

Family courts: Children forced into contact with fathers accused of abuse

In some cases, family courts ordered a child to live with a paedophile, a BBC investigation finds.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66531409