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Sara Sharif

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mauvish · 20/08/2023 18:42

Sara, aged 10, was found dead in the family home.

The police "want to speak" with Sara's father and his partner, who flew to Pakistan the day before Sara's body was found, and then phoned (don't know who) from there:

The call led officers to the house in Woking where they found the body of Sara who had sustained "multiple and extensive injuries", likely to have been caused over a sustained period of time.

Another child suffers at the hands of those who should care. I hope they get them back from Pakistan but I wonder what the chances of that are.

RIP, Sara.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-66563430

Sara Sharif

Sara Sharif murder inquiry: Girl known to authorities, council says

Surrey County Council says it is "working tirelessly" to understand what happened to Sara.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-66563430

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Gilmorehill · 12/12/2024 15:36

There should be a ban on children being home schooled if there has been social services involvement. Sara would have been alive today if she had been attending school. Knowing that no one was watching gave those bastards the freedom to do whatever they wanted.

PalomaPalomaPaloma · 12/12/2024 15:47

Gilmorehill · 12/12/2024 15:36

There should be a ban on children being home schooled if there has been social services involvement. Sara would have been alive today if she had been attending school. Knowing that no one was watching gave those bastards the freedom to do whatever they wanted.

How? She died during the summer holidays.

There had been social services involvement since before she was born. This has got nothing to do with home education.

Gilmorehill · 12/12/2024 15:49

I knew someone would point this out and that of course is always a possibility. However it does look like the abuse escalated when she was removed from school. Why do you think they removed her? They didn't think they could do a better job. They wanted to do whatever they wanted to Sara without anyone watching.

PalomaPalomaPaloma · 12/12/2024 16:07

Gilmorehill · 12/12/2024 15:49

I knew someone would point this out and that of course is always a possibility. However it does look like the abuse escalated when she was removed from school. Why do you think they removed her? They didn't think they could do a better job. They wanted to do whatever they wanted to Sara without anyone watching.

So despite having been abused her whole life you think that being home educated is what killed her?
Yes I think it's likely they removed her from school because she had obvious injuries, but it is possible to kill children during the holidays or weekends.
When children who are registered at school or are below school age are murdered who/ what gets the blame?
Sara was abused most of her life when she was below school age or at school. Concerns were raised many times but nothing was done. How did being at school protect her?

Gilmorehill · 12/12/2024 16:26

As I have previously stated, the abuse escalated when she was taken out of school. I cannot imagine why anyone would disagree with the idea that children who have social services involvement should not be removed from school. Quite apart from attempting to prevent serious harm, it's important to keep children suffering from abuse of all forms in school because it can offer them a respite and a happy place. For some children, school is the only place they get some care and nurture.

theotherfossilsister · 12/12/2024 17:03

Gilmorehill · 12/12/2024 15:36

There should be a ban on children being home schooled if there has been social services involvement. Sara would have been alive today if she had been attending school. Knowing that no one was watching gave those bastards the freedom to do whatever they wanted.

But there is SS involvement in many many cases where there is not abuse but illness or severe SEN. I think this would further stigmatise SS involvement. We had a lot of it as DS was premature and I was unwell and we needed the support.

I don’t think I would homeschool but I’d hate something to be closed off because of needing extra support at one point. Maybe these families need more monitoring and checking in on? I’d have welcomed longer term support but they were clear they were under resourced and the fact we wanted support counted against keeping it

Gilmorehill · 12/12/2024 17:17

@theotherfossilsister that's a fair point. I would refine what I am saying to mean children who are at risk of harm. I do feel very passionately that schools have a very big part to play in the lives of children who have very unhappy family lives. I have seen some examples first hand.

Bizarred · 12/12/2024 17:38

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 15/10/2024 18:55

So at that point, did the school speak to the police to say a child they had concerns about had been taken out of school or did they just move on?

When a child is removed from a school's roll to be electively home educated, the school reports that to their County Council. In my County, we fill out a form giving all the child's details, and contact names and addresses, and we also have to complete a section to say if we have any safeguarding concerns. The County Council are then supposed to carry out safeguarding checks (whether we've reported concerns or not).

Sadly, some abusive parents do take their children out of school the minute the school notice anything. And yes, the child is then at serious risk because parents don't actually want them at home, they just don't want to get found out for their abusive behaviour.

Arran2024 · 12/12/2024 20:38

Home schooling is illegal in Germany - it is crazy that here you don't need to teach anything and no one will bother you.

PalomaPalomaPaloma · 12/12/2024 21:46

You do need make sure your child is taught something. You need to make sure that your child is educated according to age, ability and attitude, taking into account any special needs. It needs to be full time and efficient. As a parent it's your legal obligation to ensure that your child receives this kind of education whether they're at school or not.

I think case law says something like you have to teach your child so that they can function well in the society/ community in which they are brought up. But the wording might not be exactly that.

Corksoles · 12/12/2024 21:50

I think the homeschooling thing is a bit of a red herring. This is a domestic abuser with a long history of abusing women. The family courts are disgustingly misogynist. Sara's mother should have had her.

Sunshinehappymum · 12/12/2024 21:53

The root cause is that the judge gave full custody to the abusive father (tons of cases reported to police and social workers against him, simply neglected, the same judge in any of these cases), instead of giving custody and help to the biological mother or placing Sara in foster care. The biological mother had the support of the polish parents / grandparents too. It’s a failure of the family court. There are many cases like this in the UK and many mothers commit suicide. That’s an absolute failure, hopefully the independent investigation will unveil all this and create better rules.

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Sunshinehappymum · 17/12/2024 09:38

The judge is paid with taxpayers money, we have the right to know his name

mauvish · 30/12/2024 09:04

Sunshinehappymum · 17/12/2024 09:38

The judge is paid with taxpayers money, we have the right to know his name

No we don't.

Spies are also paid for by taxpayers money; by your logic their details should also be made available.

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medianewbie · 30/12/2024 09:47

Sunshinehappymum · 12/12/2024 21:53

The root cause is that the judge gave full custody to the abusive father (tons of cases reported to police and social workers against him, simply neglected, the same judge in any of these cases), instead of giving custody and help to the biological mother or placing Sara in foster care. The biological mother had the support of the polish parents / grandparents too. It’s a failure of the family court. There are many cases like this in the UK and many mothers commit suicide. That’s an absolute failure, hopefully the independent investigation will unveil all this and create better rules.

I wholly agree. It's such a tragic case in many ways. Not the least of which is that it was avoidable.

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