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Ukraine Invasion: Part 44

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MagicFox · 20/08/2023 12:43

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TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 31/08/2023 22:05

Surplus2requirements · 31/08/2023 21:23

Our (and Ukraines) best hope is Shapps continues to talk confident bull on This Morning and doesn't try to actually influence policy else we'll be buying tanks for Ukraine made by a mate of his with an ice cream factory

Luckily this is Ukraine we’re talking about, they’ll be making drones out of the wafers.

blueshoes · 31/08/2023 22:37

This Snapps Chat is not filling me with confidence. Having paid him scant attention before, I have googled him. Oh God. What was Rishi thinking? How can this clown replace Ben? Time to vote in Labour.

@RedToothBrush really appreciate the updates on Ukraine's advances in Verbove and elsewhere. God speed and willing them on.

@minsmum thanks for the timely reminder that Ukraine needs more ammo and less advice.

DrBlackbird · 31/08/2023 22:45

minsmum · 31/08/2023 21:45

https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1697333688441160065 gentle reminder from defence of Ukraine

They are also amazing at communicating multiple messages in very short clips. Astoundingly good engaging with the wider world.

notimagain · 31/08/2023 22:59

@blueshoes

. What was Rishi thinking? How can this clown replace Ben?

For info Ben Wallace stated a few months back that he wanted to stand down as from the Defence position at the next cabinet re-shuffle, which has just happened, hence he's gone. He's also standing down as an MP at the next GE...

As for the replacement - I guess Rishi looked around to find a yes man who was available.........

DdraigGoch · 01/09/2023 00:41

jgw1 · 31/08/2023 13:39

Cardboard is apparently really good for making drones, could we perhaps try to make a drone out of Shapps?

Sure, just listen to him for 10 minutes...

Oh, you meant the UAV sort of drone? Nah, you need something that will fly in a straight line and he couldn’t lie straight in bed.

MissConducUS · 01/09/2023 00:43

As for the replacement - I guess Rishi looked around to find a yes man who was available.........

It might have been nice if he had looked a bit harder and found someone who served in the military. Lloyd Austin is a West Point graduate who led troops in combat.

DdraigGoch · 01/09/2023 00:45

DrBlackbird · 31/08/2023 20:33

God forbid the Ukrainians need any ferries…

Perhaps he should offer to organise the Russian ferries across the Kerch Strait. Then when the bridge closes their logistics will be properly stuffed.

blueshoes · 01/09/2023 01:30

MissConducUS · 01/09/2023 00:43

As for the replacement - I guess Rishi looked around to find a yes man who was available.........

It might have been nice if he had looked a bit harder and found someone who served in the military. Lloyd Austin is a West Point graduate who led troops in combat.

Yes, one of the worst things about current UK (Tory) party politics is that loyalty is rewarded above competence. Breaks my heart. It is too much to hope for a towering replacement in the similar shape of a Ben Wallace or Lloyd Austin.

RedToothBrush · 01/09/2023 08:19

Kenneth Rundt AT kennethrundt
A short one from Kenneth Gregg: (1/7) "Today's update will be short as I am currently in Kovel to do a pre-feasibility study with a major customer regarding their energy structure and the possibilities of implementing our energy systems. +

2:"According to official sources, we have not liberated more land, but the russians have started to retreat towards the last line of defence on the Verbove flank. This is true both east and south of this front. At the same time, the enemy has to start digging flank trenches, +

3:"...otherwise they will be taken in the back. This information is confirmed, even on deepstatemap.

At Robotyne, the russian direction is also to the south but not yet as marked. Bakhmut and other fronts have no significant changes. +

4:"We are now beginning to discern a two front attack by us because our activity is intensified on these two fronts. Our artillery is also increasing its pace on these fronts and the elite units of the russians are suffering heavy losses. How long can the russians hold out here?+

5:"Our problem will be at Tokmak. The town is full of Ukrainian civilians and will be defended to the last russian, otherwise it is a disaster for them throughout Zaporizhzhia and Kerson Oblast. Our soldiers and officers are faced with a very heavy decision. +

6."Regardless of which of the two options available, the civilians will suffer again. Option 1 is an encirclement with starving out. Option 2 is a direct attack with massive artillery shelling. Both are bad for the civilian population. +

7:"The russians know this so they will never let the civilians escape the city. The battle of Tokmak is going to be very bloody. What will Red Cross and UN do? Both are guaranteed to know about this dilemma already now."

Largely ties with other sources - the fire in Verbove moving from the North West to the South East and supports the idea that Verbove can be called contested rather than under Russian control at this point. Falling back to the east of Verbove when the Ukrainian tested the water in the west of the town really says the Russians were unprepared and vulnerable there, and perhaps unable to hold that position.

If you are digging trenches - new trenches by the sound of it - you aren't under too much cover. You don't want to be doing that at this point. And if you are doing that, you aren't firing at Ukrainians. (We know that there's been a big reduction in artillery fire on Ukrainian lines in the area). And if you aren't firing at Ukrainians and pinning them down they are freer to move and do things like clear mines....

But thoughts turning to a possible Battle for Tokmak is sobering.

notimagain · 01/09/2023 08:27

Piece here from "The Drive" on the drone attacks that took the Russian transport aircraft (the IL-76s) a few nights back..

Might all be disinformation but there's interesting hints within about how this might have been controlled and how the targeting was done.

If the low level IR image in itself, if genuine, also invites other questions

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/moment-of-drone-attack-that-destroyed-il-76s-at-russian-base-seen-in-infrared-image

Moment Of Drone Strike That Destroyed Russian Il-76s Seen In Infrared Image

New satellite imagery shows two Il-76s were totally destroyed and two others damaged in the drone attack on Kresty Air Base.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/moment-of-drone-attack-that-destroyed-il-76s-at-russian-base-seen-in-infrared-image

BezMills · 01/09/2023 08:30

I'm no general, but what if they just bypass Tokmak? It is a logistics hub, but if there's nothing military coming out to the North and North-East highways, and nothing coming in from the South, it's no longer militarily significant. The main objective in this line is Melitopol or Berydansk, as far as I'm aware, in order to split the occupying forces in two.

MissConducUS · 01/09/2023 10:45

BezMills · 01/09/2023 08:30

I'm no general, but what if they just bypass Tokmak? It is a logistics hub, but if there's nothing military coming out to the North and North-East highways, and nothing coming in from the South, it's no longer militarily significant. The main objective in this line is Melitopol or Berydansk, as far as I'm aware, in order to split the occupying forces in two.

They may well do exactly that. If they do, they'll also have to leave a force surrounding the city to protect their western flank. There are a lot of Russian troops in Tokmak.

blueshoes · 01/09/2023 11:11

MissConducUS · 01/09/2023 10:45

They may well do exactly that. If they do, they'll also have to leave a force surrounding the city to protect their western flank. There are a lot of Russian troops in Tokmak.

Would that be the Option 1 'an encirclement with starving out' of Verbove scenario which Kenneth Rundt alludes to?

blueshoes · 01/09/2023 12:08

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-august-31-2023

Key Takeaways:

  • Ukrainian forces continued counteroffensive operations near Bakhmut in Donetsk Oblast and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on August 31 and reportedly advanced in both sectors of the front.
  • Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky highlighted Ukraine’s domestic production of long-range missiles on August 31, likely as part of a coordinated Ukrainian campaign promoting increased Ukrainian strike capabilities against Russian deep rear areas.
  • Russian authorities arrested a notable fringe ultranationalist Russian milblogger on accusations of discrediting the Russian military, likely as part of centralized efforts to silence some critical milblogger voices without prompting a general backlash.
  • Russian military authorities allegedly ordered the detention of three Russian milbloggers who have recently criticized the Russian MoD – a move that sparked a backlash in only a small corner of the Russian information space.
  • Imprisoned Russian ultranationalist Igor Girkin and his associates conducted likely futile political maneuvers intended to coalesce into a coherent and meaningful political opposition group.
  • Russian forces continued offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line and unsuccessfully counterattacked in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area and in western Zaporizhia Oblast on August 31.
  • Russian occupation authorities continue to forcibly deport Ukrainian children to Russia and Russify Ukrainian youth.
Ukraine Invasion: Part 44
blueshoes · 01/09/2023 12:29

notimagain · 01/09/2023 08:27

Piece here from "The Drive" on the drone attacks that took the Russian transport aircraft (the IL-76s) a few nights back..

Might all be disinformation but there's interesting hints within about how this might have been controlled and how the targeting was done.

If the low level IR image in itself, if genuine, also invites other questions

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/moment-of-drone-attack-that-destroyed-il-76s-at-russian-base-seen-in-infrared-image

Interesting photos. Appreciate the avaiation intelligence you bring to the thread.

Looking at where the drone struck the plane, @notimagain would you say that is the best place to strike to disable and destroy the plane? I wonder if the drones were guided by human eye for that level of accuracy.

As for the low res footage could that be another cardboard 700 km drone loitering around? I read low res cameras are less likely to be affected by electronic warfare jamming.

BezMills · 01/09/2023 12:36

planes commonly have fuel tanks in the wings, so the fuselage near the wing roots would have the fuel lines running right through it, perfect spot to hit. If the plane is fuelled, it will burn right down.

Also the wing roots are most important part of the plane, structurally. Any damage in the main body of the fuselage can be fixed with a bit of gaffer tape and cardboard, but anything near the wing roots could mean the plane is simply dead and good only for stripping for parts.

DancesWithDucks · 01/09/2023 12:53

Yes, one of the worst things about current UK (Tory) party politics is that loyalty is rewarded above competence.

Chilling how that reminds me of another govt. When you consider the slow destruction of the NHS and the awarding of contracts to mates during the Covid years, the cutting into the bone and beyond of Council funding for services etc, I grieve to see the way the UK is going.

BezMills · 01/09/2023 13:01

yeah in my view Sunak is showing weakness by stuffing the cabinet with ineffective yes-men like Grant Shapps. He's not just letting himself down, he's letting us all down. We are in the middle of an unprecedented crisis, with a war against Russia on Europe's and NATO's border, and this is the man for the job? Is he heck.
As someone said somewhere else, he couldn't lie straight in bed. Absolute griftman.

DancesWithDucks · 01/09/2023 13:04

Kyiv Independent Telegram

After Hungary blocked an agreement on Ukrainian funding at an Aug. 31 meeting, European Union High Representative Josep Borrell reiterated his support for Ukraine's peace formula during a press conference in Toledo, Spain. https://kyivindependent.com/eu-rep-supports-ukraine-peace-plan-as-hungary-vetoes-funding/

Ukraine war latest: Russia delivers tactical nukes to Belarus, says military intelligence chief https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-war-latest-russia-delivers-tactical-nukes-to-belarus-says-military-intelligence-chief/

⚡️Intelligence Chief: Drone strike on Pskov launched from inside Russia* * kyivindependent.com/intelligence-chief-drones-strike-on-pskov-launched-from-within-russia/

“We are working from the territory of Russia,” Ukrainian military intelligence (HUR) chief Kyrylo Budanov told media outlet The War Zone on Aug. 31.

⚡️Kuleba: Ukraine's ambitions to acquire aircraft go beyond F-16s https://kyivindependent.com/kuleba-ukraines-ambitions-to-acquire-aircraft-go-beyond-f-16s/ Kyiv will continue to try to obtain different types of aircraft for its military, Kuleba said, mentioning that Ukraine was interested in Rafale jets made by the French company Dassault Aviation.

According to Russian state-controlled media, more than 30 flights delayed and 20 flights were canceled at Moscow's Vnukovo and Domodedovo airports during the morning of Sept. 1.

According to U.S. Defense Department sources, 10 out of 31 promised Abrams tanks will arrive in Ukraine in mid-September, Politico reported on Aug. 31.

⚡️BAE Systems to produce https://kyivindependent.com/bae-systems-to-produce-l119-howitzers-in-ukraine/ L119 howitzers in Ukraine.

⚡️ US orders https://kyivindependent.com/us-orders-air-to-air-missiles-for-ukraine/ air-to-air missiles for Ukraine.

The US Department of Defense announced on Aug. 31 a contract for Advanced Medium Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM) from the American company Raytheon for Ukraine.

⚡️Media: Education Minister says (https://kyivindependent.com/media-education-minister-says-76-of-institutions-in-ukraine-have-bomb-shelters/)76% of institutions in Ukraine have bomb shelters.

⚡️Nobel Foundation invites https://kyivindependent.com/nobel-prize-award-invites-russia-and-belarus-for-celebrations/ Russia and Belarus to award celebrations.
The Nobel Foundation announced on Aug. 31 that it will invite all diplomats represented in Sweden to its Nobel Prize award ceremony, an expansion that includes representatives from Russia and Belarus. [wtf? fucking hell!]

Wagner boss Prigozhin is dead. Here’s what it means for Africa kyivindependent.com/wagner-boss-prigozhin-is-dead-how-that-might-change-russias-presence-in-africa/
What does the future hold for the Wagner Group in Africa now that its leader, Yevgeny Prigozhin, was killed in a plane crash?
With the private military group effectively decapitated, the future of Wagner’s operations across at least five countries on the African continent, appears uncertain.
Analysts expect the Kremlin to take over Wagner's operations on the continent, but don't expect the transition to be smooth.

⚡️Interfax Ukraine: 75 Ukrainian children tortured https://kyivindependent.com/media-education-minister-says-76-of-institutions-in-ukraine-have-bomb-shelters/ by Russian forces, prosecutor says. Most cases of torture took place in Chernihiv Oblast's village of Yahidne, which was under Russian occupation for about a month, a Prosecutor General's Office representative told Interfax.

⚡️SBU accuses https://kyivindependent.com/sbu-accuses-russian-commander-of-giving-order-to-shoot-at-civilians-in-bucha/ Russian commander of giving order to shoot at civilians in Kyiv Oblast.
Vadim Ovchinnikov, senior lieutenant and the commander of a reconnaissance platoon, told his subordinates to shoot at a family trying to evacuate from the village of Severynivka near Bucha, according to the SBU

⚡️UK Energy Secretary Grant Shapps announced as new Defense Minister https://kyivindependent.com/energy-secretary-grant-shapps-announced-as-new-uk-defense-minister/

⚡️Lithuanian foreign minister urges EU to drop the phrase 'supporting Ukraine as long as it takes.' "Supporting Ukraine for as long as it takes" should be replaced by "supporting Ukraine to its victory," he explained. https://kyivindependent.com/landsbergis-phrase-supporting-ukraine-as-long-as-it-takes-is-insufficient/

Ragnar Gudmundsson
WAR IN #UKRAINE - SEP 1
■ Record equipment losses in August
■strikes below average, enagements down
■ Double-digit vehicle, artillery & tank losses
■ KIU: +43 officers - averages rising
■ Oryx: +6+2 Russian:Ukrainian net change - ratios unchanged

Ukraine Invasion: Part 44
notimagain · 01/09/2023 13:04

Looking at where the drone struck the plane, @notimagainwould you say that is the best place to strike to disable and destroy the plane?

Wing junction area for reasons @BezMills says, or forward of that in the flight deck area where there's a lot of electronics.

I wonder if the drones were guided by human eye for that level of accuracy.

That's the 64k dollar question that won't be answered any time soon. With undegraded military standard GPS you should IMO be able to program a drone to fly to overhead the centre of the sort revetment (protected parking space) that those aircraft were in and trigger the warhead at the right time, the question is how do you know which revetment to aim at....

As for the low res footage could that be another cardboard 700 km drone loitering around?

That's the other 64k question to my mind....this does not look like a straightforward case of programming a load of armed drones with GPS waypoints and sending them blindly on their way.

We'll only maybe know the actual story post war.

DancesWithDucks · 01/09/2023 13:21

UNITED24 Media Telegram

🇰🇵 The United States has intelligence that Russia and North Korea are in advanced talks on a major arms deal, CNN reports.
The deal would reportedly see North Korea provide Russia with significant quantities of ammunition for its artillery and other weapons systems.

🇩🇪 Germany supports the European Commission's proposal to allocate 5 billion euros annually from 2024 to 2027 to finance military assistance to Ukraine, — DW.

At an informal meeting in Toledo, EU foreign ministers failed to agree on the allocation of the eighth tranche of 500 million euros from the European Peace Fund to finance Ukraine's military needs.
As it is known, Hungary opposes the allocation of these funds due to Ukraine's inclusion of the Hungarian OTP Bank in the list of "war sponsors."

Russian Pskov was under attack by unknown drones. Again.

In Lyubertsy near Moscow, a workshop for the production of electronics for missiles is on fire after a drone attack

More than 1,000 drones and 30 Shablia robotic systems were sent to the front for a counteroffensive, — Fedorov

"Ukrainian Armor" LLC has fully resumed the production of mortars and this year alone delivered more than 600 units to the Armed Forces.
After a temporary loss of production capacity in the east of the country, the enterprise successfully resumed the production of mortars of various calibers. Now, production volumes even exceed pre-war indicators. In addition, video instructions for operating mortars have been developed for military personnel who use the company's products.

In Georgia, the ruling party "Georgian Dream" announced the beginning of the impeachment procedure against President Zurabishvili, "Echo of the Caucasus" reports. The reason was Zurabishvili's visits to Europe, which were not coordinated with the government, violating the country's Constitution.
Zurabishvili became president of Georgia in 2018 thanks to the ruling party's support. Still, after the start of a full-scale war in Ukraine, relations between the president and the government began to deteriorate. Her term of office expires in the fall of 2024.

Armenia ratifies the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court, Russian propaganda agency "TASS". Having recognized the jurisdiction of the ICC, Armenia will be obliged to arrest Putin if he comes to the country. However, the country's government previously claimed that they had no intention of fulfilling the order.

The head of the Foreign Ministry, Kuleba, sharply criticized commentators who talk about the allegedly slow pace of the Ukrainian counteroffensive.
"Talking about the slow pace of the counteroffensive is like spitting in the face of a Ukrainian soldier who sacrifices his life every day, moving forward and liberating one kilometer of Ukrainian land," the minister said.
"I would advise all critics to shut up. Come to Ukraine and try to free one square centimeter yourself," he added.

A 22-year-old volunteer from Great Britain died in Ukraine.
The British Foreign Office confirmed the death of Samuel Newey in the fighting in eastern Ukraine.
As The Telegraph notes, Newey had no previous military experience and served in the Dark Angels unit, which had been on the front lines since the early days of the Russian invasion.

❗️In Kyiv, all secondary schools were "mined", the message was most likely left by an anonymous person. The police and units of the State Emergency Service went to the scene. School administrations together with law enforcement officers are responsible for the evacuation of children and teachers.

September 1st in Ukraine marks the Day of Knowledge, a day when children return to school and take their seats at their desks. For some, it's their very first time, while for others, it's their last year in the school desk. Regrettably, due to Russia's war against Ukraine, not everyone can partake in this holiday today.

Ukraine Invasion: Part 44
TheABC · 01/09/2023 13:24

Twitter is full of comments about this morning's drone attack on Moscow. A missile microchip factory was hit and the airspace was closed for a time, causing a knock-on impact to commercial flights.

DancesWithDucks · 01/09/2023 13:31

Live: Ukraine Telegram

🇺🇸 🇹🇼The Joe Biden administration has for the first time approved the transfer of US military equipment to Taiwan under a program that is usually reserved for sovereign states. Taiwan will receive $80 million in aid from the United States.

The new, fifteenth meeting in the Ramstein format will be held offline on September 19, the press service of the US Air Force in Europe reported.

💰 The World Bank will provide Ukraine with $232 million in aid for emergency repairs of housing damaged by the war. More than 100,000 families will be able to count on the assistance. The program covers housing that does not require major repairs.

❗️During the war in Ukraine, the Russian army has already damaged 1,624 cultural infrastructure sites, almost a third of which have been completely destroyed (591 buildings), the Ministry of Culture reports.

Russia recently delivered the first nuclear warheads to Belarus, but they will not be used, Budanov said.
"Russia's 12th Main Directorate, the directorate responsible for these very weapons, wrote that the results of training with nuclear simulators for the Iskander system, which are available in small quantities in Belarus, recognized Belarus' complete unpreparedness to operate such weapons," he said.

The National Agency on Corruption Prevention and Criminal Justice has added the American companies PepsiCo and Mars to the list of international sponsors of war.
Despite statements about reducing their business, stopping advertising and production of their products, these companies continue to operate in Russia, paying taxes and supporting the aggressor's economy.

Every time Russia takes off with a MiG, a plane carrying a Kinzhal missile, an alert goes off all over Ukraine because the Kinzhal is difficult to intercept and flies far enough to hit a target all over Ukraine.
But often, the MiGs take off, but the missile is not launched.
Here's why.

Ukraine Invasion: Part 44
MissConducUS · 01/09/2023 14:50

blueshoes · 01/09/2023 11:11

Would that be the Option 1 'an encirclement with starving out' of Verbove scenario which Kenneth Rundt alludes to?

Yes, but it might not be a complete encirclement. They may leave one route open to the west to allow the Russians to withdraw, as they did in Kherson.

MissConducUS · 01/09/2023 15:17

The WSJ ran an article this morning about Ukraine's efforts to broaden the salient in the south. It also discusses the goal of bringing Russian GLOCs under fire control vs driving to the shore of the Sea of Azov. It also points out the chaos small unit attacks could cause among the Russians once Ukrainian vehicles can get into their rear areas.

Ukraine Fights to Widen Its Puncture of Russian Front Lines - Expanding small breach in southeast could put critical Russian logistics lines within reach of Ukrainian artillery

Sept. 1, 2023 6:23 am ET

KYIV, Ukraine—Ukrainian troops’ piercing of Russian lines this week marks a small move with big potential.

The Ukrainians are trying to gradually force their way through the main Russian defensive line in the southeast under heavy fire to expand fissures they opened and achieve a larger-scale breach.

This is a critical moment in Kyiv’s three-month counteroffensive because a full-scale penetration would allow Ukraine to pour armored vehicles through and wreak havoc among Russian forces.

Advancing a few miles through the defenses around Verbove—a settlement in the country’s southeast unknown even to most Ukrainians—would amount to a modest gain compared with the roughly 20% of their country that Russia controls, or compared with the greater gains that Ukrainian and Western military leaders had hoped earlier this year to have achieved by now.

But if Ukrainian forces manage to cross minefields, trenches and cement blockades known as dragon’s teeth, they will have overcome impediments that Russia hopes are impassable. Many of Moscow’s best troops have been stationed on the front line.

Each mile that Ukrainian forces advance puts their artillery closer to hitting Russian targets that so far have sat out of reach, including roads and train lines through the regional hub city Tokmak. Further beyond runs the M14 highway, which follows the country’s southeastern shore and which Russia relies on to move crucial supplies.

A successful breach of defenses that Moscow’s forces spent months building would allow Ukrainian troops to capture more territory, target more of Russia’s critical supply lines and undermine Russia’s ability to wage war across a much wider region. Kyiv’s broader goal is to slice through the band of Russian-occupied territory stretching from Ukraine’s eastern border with Russia to the Crimean Peninsula, which Moscow seized from Ukraine in 2014.

Severing what Moscow calls its land bridge would potentially cut off routes to Crimea, where Russia’s Black Sea Fleet is based.

Ukrainian troops’ advances over the past week have boosted morale in the area. Ivan Fedorov, the exiled Ukrainian mayor of Melitopol, the largest nearby city, said that according to local residents, Russian-installed authorities were leaving Tokmak.

“The enemy’s defense is cracking, so the first rats run from the sinking Russian ship,” Fedorov said.

Russian officials haven’t commented on the Ukrainian advance to Verbove, which followed by days Ukraine’s retaking of the village of Robotyne, roughly 6 miles west. Crossing the short distance entailed an intense fight, said Oleksandr Solonko, a private in an air reconnaissance battalion who is operating drones in the area.

“Every step, we had to face minefields, trenches,” he said. Passing concrete dragon’s teeth around Robotyne, he said, had given soldiers a psychological boost, but he added: “There is still huge work ahead of us.”

Satellite and drone imagery shows many lines of fortifications ahead, and Moscow has moved more troops into the region, according to open-source intelligence reports. It remains unclear how heavily the barricades are manned by troops ready to fire on advancing Ukrainian forces or whether the Russians are under coordinated command.

“All obstacles are only speed bumps if they’re not controlled by fire and not part of a larger defense plan,” said Billy Fabian, a former Pentagon strategist and U.S. Army infantry officer.

While Tokmak is the biggest nearby target for advancing Ukrainian troops, they may not launch an attack on the city, which sits roughly 13 miles south of Robotyne and is now ringed by Russian fortifications, said Western analysts.

If Kyiv’s troops can push the front line to about 6 miles outside Tokmak, Ukrainian artillery forces with plentiful 155mm cannons will be able to target its rail and road lines, said Trent Telenko, a former official at the Pentagon’s Defense Contract Management Agency who has studied Russian military logistics.

Extending the front to within 6 miles “will make Tokmak useless as a road-rail transportation node,” said Telenko. At that distance, Ukrainian artillery can stay about 10 miles behind the front, which he said is a sufficient distance to be relatively safe from Russian counter-battery fire.

Even without getting so close to a target, each mile of advance allows Ukraine’s longer-range ground-launched rockets to hit more Russian assets. Ukraine’s Western-made Himars and M270 mobile launchers fire projectiles with a range of at most about 50 miles.

The M14 highway is about 50 miles south of Robotyne and Verbove, but the launchers must stay several miles back from the front for safety, so Ukraine’s recent gains still don’t yet put them in firing range of the Russian supply artery.

Ukrainian military leaders hope that piercing the Russian front at Verbove will allow them to open a much larger breach and flood it with dozens of Western-made tanks and armored vehicles. To protect such a high-profile force from Russian attack, combat veterans say Ukrainian forces must clear a path at least 10 miles wide—and preferably much wider—which will be difficult.

But even a smaller gap threatens Russian forces, said Dave Demorrow, a retired U.S. Army noncommissioned officer who spent years in front-line military intelligence during the Cold War and in Iraq. Smaller, less-armored vehicles such as Humvees or speedy attack squads operating behind Russia’s forward-facing lines could cause chaos, he said.

“Russians can’t fight in 360 degrees—they’re just not trained for that,” Demorrow said. “Even a Humvee with a .50-caliber machine gun on it will tear up an artillery unit” because the unit won’t be equipped to return fire at short range, he said.

Ukraine Fights to Widen Its Puncture of Russian Front Lines

Expanding the small southeastern breach could put critical Russian logistics lines within reach of Ukrainian artillery.

https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/ukraine-fights-to-widen-its-puncture-of-russian-front-lines-141459a6?mod=hp_lead_pos2