Lucy Letby guilty - part 2

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Thread 1 Lucy Letby guilty www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4875009-lucy-letby-guilty

Just in case anyone wants to keep the conversation going

When the Birmingham 6 were convicted, the prison authorities knocked ten tons of poo out of them upon admission, they were late freed as the police fitted them up.

Yes. That was in 1975, before PACE and before interviews with suspects were taped and videoed.

Things have (thankfully) moved on since then.
Things like the Birmingham Six miscarriage of justice could not happen in that way nowadays - beating up prisoners cannot happen because everything is on CCTV.

I find it really quite disturbing that people are already coming out saying how this must be a miscarriage of justice and how the conviction is obviously going to be overturned. She was convicted two days ago, and already people are leaping to her defence on the basis that this and that person was freed after appeal.

FWIW there will definitely be some who were freed but were still guilty but that the defence have been able to call evidence into question for instance. In fact there is one in particular who tends to be mentioned fairly regularly on here who many MN’ers still believe is guilty even though their conviction was quashed. And another one whose conviction was overturned because a witness withdrew their testimony that the person had confessed. It’s one which has been mentioned on this thread, and I’m not convinced that they were innocent, even if the conviction was overturned.

I think the fact that the defence were unable to provide any credible witnesses for the defence speaks volumes.

It's been explained that no, insulin is not a controlled drug in U.K. hospitals and several people have access to fridges containing it, keys can easily be passed around.

And not one profile of her sounds remotely convincing as a mass murderer - so far, anyway

Well that doesn't surprise me at all.

The Yorkshire Ripper was regarded as a lovely man, a good friend and a faithful, kind husband by all who knew him. After he was arrested, charged and convicted his family and friends could not reconcile the Peter Sutcliffe they knew with the vicious serial killer who turned out to be a manipulative psychopath.

And not one profile of her sounds remotely convincing as a mass murderer - so far, anyway

This is incredibly naive.

I've been a journalist for a couple of decades so well-versed with media law, thank you. Clearly her colleagues cannot talk for legal reasons and the fact they may want to retain their employment. Trust me, little stories will emerge. It will look different to the average case because there has only ever been one case like this, Beverley Allitt, a very unwell person.

She is working class. Where is all this middle class coming from. She has absolutely no middle class markers at all.

There are no "very good" articles in The Daily Mail.

*The deaths were reported by consultants to the hospital trust’s committee for serious incidents, responsible for examining matters of patient safety. But the hospital classified them as “medication errors”, rather than a “serious incident involving an unexpected death”.

I'm confused as to what happened once the hospital had classed these three deaths as 'medication errors' – wasn't that extremely serious by itself? Weren't the parents told? While this hasn't really got much to do with the eventual outcome, it seems very strange that the hospital thought medication errors had caused three baby deaths in a fortnight, yet nothing seemed to happened next.*

I think this means that they were incorrectly classified in the reporting log meaning that when any data was accessed these three deaths didn't flag but were recorded in the figures for medication errors (meaning that they weren't raising alarm bells as three deaths in a short space of time).

Apart from growing up in a semi detached house in a cul de sac, a churchgoer, having a degree? She was hardly a chav.

She was arrested in her nightgown. It was 6am, exactly when most people are wearing nightclothes. That she pulled a tracksuit on over top doesn't make it a lie.

He was acquitted. Your opinion doesn't change that.

I’ve just watched the documentary. I am 100% convinced she is guilty and that more charges will be made.

And I’ve been a journalist for well over 30 years. You can’t prejudice a judge. Once the verdict’s in you can publish background without any risk of contempt, which is why the floodgates opened after Friday’s verdict and the BBC was free to run the Panorama quoting friends and victims, and everyone was free to theorise. You must be a funny kind of journalist, or perhaps you’ve just never done any court reporting?

@RadishesForYou there is a video of her opening the door to police before she was arrested. She is wearing a tracksuit.

@doroda working class people are not 'chavs'.

@RadishesForYou

That categorically does not make her middle class.

@BeenThereDoneThat101

Thank you for your reply.

I feel that my post still stands. I do not believe in the guilt of Lucy and it is irrelevant to my previous posts.

and if she is guilty- she is a serial killer not a mass murderer Jesus Christ.

@magicalkitty she is wearing a hoodie and jeans. Not a tracksuit. Revisit the video.

What’s the difference? Apart from the descriptor?

That is a huge generalisation. Not all murderers are the same. Of course some have empathy. You don't actually know what a person feels or thinks, you can only know what is reported to have been said.

That is because the documery is designed to sway.

Excuse my spelling. Dyslexia is a hard thing to live with.

Chav is used by a certain type of person who feels inferior to others. They try to use it as a thing to beat others down with. I feel very embarrassed for them.