Lucy Letby guilty - part 2

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Thread 1 Lucy Letby guilty www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4875009-lucy-letby-guilty

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Yes watermeloncougar compared to the accounts of those who knew and worked with her- many who suspected she was a murderer very early on and made repeated attempts to report her! So no, they didn’t all think she was “normal”.

@Clafoutie unfortunately, sad though it is LL's parents and upbringing will be scrutinised and discusssed in great detail, I'm sure for they raised Britain's worst Child killer.
That is unfortunate for them,but my sympathy is with the babies' who died at her hands . And if we are to try to understand and possibly prevent this happening again, we must look at why LL murdered these babies.

That was based on what they were seeing with the dying babies though. NOT based on the other stuff you've posted here, e.g. her bedroom being childish or her being unpopular at school.

Well you could argue that the parents are separate and seeking out further information on her family would not necessarily be compliant with human rights to privacy / data protection.

Yes that's what I thought. Perhaps she knew she was going down.

Tbh if LL had stood out as a bully, or remarkable in any other way, there'd be plenty of people coming out of the woodwork to say it.

If she'd been a complete loner, no social life, ditto.

The point is, she was completely unremarkable. I think that makes some people feel uncomfortable and they're constructing narratives that she must have been unable to get sex, or had no friends, or was odd because she had a few cuddly toys in her bedroom and 'live life laugh' pictures on the wall.... It's actually not helpful. Surely the main thing to come out of this case is that someone who appears totally normal can be capable of the unthinkable.

In fact, Dr Stephen Breary one of the consultants said his first reaction was "No, not nice Lucy". (I.e. it can't be her.)

hammie46i you may not see how all these things link up. However the photos of her bedroom and belongings were all shown as evidence in court as some people can read a little deeper into things than maybe you can.

It’s distorted. Perinatal deaths include things like stillbirth, the comparison needs to be made with neonatal deaths which were lower.

But obviously there is always someone prepared to argue for the other side. Like those alleged “scientist” articles, none of which has anyone’s name attached to them or who were called by the defence.

In fact oddly there seems very little defence, they only called one witness. None of her friends, none of the nurses she worked with, I mean that best friend of her’s would have stood for her character if nothing else but the defence didn’t look at any of that.

That in itself is strange IMO.

I don't think it's that weird, the friend has obviously had their world turned upside down. Maybe they will change their mind as time goes on or maybe they'll campaign for her, either is fine I can't see why anyone needs to judge her, she's not hurting anyone

They didnt think she was abnormal via any other markers other than they thought she might be killing/harming babies though did they?

They didnt think she was abnormal because she was a so called nerd at school, or because she had fairy lights around her bed, thats not what marked her out to them, its because they became suspicious that she was doing something unthinkable

I wonder what previous colleagues/peers thought in previous jobs or placements about her, did she gel with anyone there?

No, the bedroom was shown in court as that was where evidence (the notes with "I'm evil I did" and also "I'm innocent") was found, under the bed.

The bedroom wasn't shown in court as an exhibit to demonstrate what a weirdo she was.

People who knew her said she presented as normal. 'Nice Lucy.' Even the consultants who began to suspect her described her as 'beige'... she totally blended in with the other nursing staff. It was purely the circumstantial evidence of her being present at every death which arose suspicion.

And she's not even a natural blonde!!!

Her hair is now it's natural colour as it's more a mousy brown.

Tell us what it means then?

(tbf I have always had my suspicions about people with those bloody posters 'live, life, laugh' type crap)

Well you could argue that the parents are separate and seeking out further information on her family would not necessarily be compliant with human rights to privacy / data protection.

Information that is out in the public domain is not subject to data protection fgs. Nobody is suggesting stealing her parents medical records.

My mid 20s daughter has fairy lights and a few childhood teddies in her room. I'm wondering now what I should be reading into this..... (not)

I said seeking out further info e.g by press I was not referring to looking up what is reasonably already out there. But actually it is, if the reason the info got there was not appropriate. Plus info doesn't have to be so personal as their medical records to be an intrusion and therefore breach their rights

I'm curious about whether Lucy Letby ever had an actual boyfriend or girlfriend. There was the doctor crush which was claimed to be not an actual affair. What about other relationships? Or even one night stands? The lack of these might say more about her character and inability to grow up. It would be fairly unusual for an attractive young woman like her to have never had a romantic relationship at her age but so far media haven't dug anything up.

Her father was more heavily involved though - he went to the meeting with her (unheard of and almost certainly not allowed in most instances) had a say in demanding apologies from the consultants,and that is likely going to be brought up as part of the enquiry.

She said her parents were overbearing.

The mother cried “take me” when she was arrested.

It is totally unrealistic, unreasonable in fact to suggest that the parents, the father in particular, shouldn’t fall under scrutiny. After all he was closely related to the enquiry which resulted in letters of apology being sent to his murderer daughter.

Because they suspected her of being behind the babies' deaths. And then management moved her back again when she complained.

There's a report in the Sunday Times today which documents the way doctors' concerns were dismissed. Hopefully the share token works

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/6d2c932c-3e9b-11ee-bb14-4a4bb3eeebb7?shareToken=1ce8fb73b6892c06a406ecaf57288a16

@BeenThereDoneThat101 it's totally normal for people to be allowed to bring someone to support them at disciplinary meetings.

I feel sorry for her parents. Their daughter, their only child, has killed babies, become the most hated woman in Britain and will be locked up for the rest of her life. I've seen her mother's reaction described as odd and weird when none of us can know how we would behave in this situation. Even if they were overbearing parents - and that's an if - they wouldn't be the first or the last and loving your child and being protective of them isn't a crime and doesn't make them into a murderer.

Of course the victims are the people who have lost their children but it is awful for her parents too.

Thanks for sharing.

That is really terrible that she was moved back just because she made a complaint.

@BeenThereDoneThat101 I think that just shows they were supportive parents not that their behaviour is suspect.