Not only did Lucy Letby kill and badly hurt babies…

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She also prepared the memory boxes for parents of the dead children. Can you imagine having a memory box with photos and footprints of your dead child which had been taken by his or her merger?

That goes way beyond the murder. I just don't know how the families are coping.

The Guardian article above seemed to be a riposte to another article published overnight [main story] about Dewi Evans expert witness for the prosecution saying that management had been dilatory and negligent in not contacting the police earlier and should be prosecuted

That overnight headline story has now been replaced

Even to save 7 babies lives? It's a tough decision isn't it.

This is the first time I'd realised the police initially looked at each case in isolation to prevent unconscious bias or being 'swept along' by colleagues findings. A inspired and intelligent approach that I'm sure made a huge difference to the eventual outcome. Conspiracy theories and allegations of a witch hunt can be pretty much debunked.

I wonder if the blame will be spread fairly after this - Ime it is often a senior woman who is hung out to dry whilst others disappear into the background.
Just saying.

If there was any doubt in my mind about her conviction it is gone now after True Crime Rocket Science you tube video on Lucy Letby ‘ Why did she do it ? That doubt has gone now . I also wonder if her defence lawyer suspected or knew of her guilt and that was why she only had a plumber as a witness in her defence . Did her lawyer truly believe in her innocence ?

I forgot to say I watched the documentary and I had no idea with one of the insulin cases how much it was over. If it wasn’t Letby who was it?

I keep expecting a harsh childhood (church?) to come out or a boyfriend we’ve not yet heard about.

It was very telling that her friend from Hereford was adamant that Letby wasn’t guilty as she was the nicest person she’d ever known, yet on the other hand said they were both (with others?) considered geeky and were separated from others at school. I mean I’m older than Letby but none of us as teenagers went to church at all, in my case yes every Friday to mass in school.

I was also bullied twice a 2 workplaces so that’s why I had sympathy with Letby possibly being bullied. Obviously so much has come out. I do think the first death was probably a mistake, then she realised how easy it was/attention she got so it escalated. Was she responsible for the other 2 deaths at the Liverpool hospital too?

I’m unsure if she’s mentally unwell but she comes across as a split personality (at hospital:towards her cats) especially in interviews. Unsure as to her knee because if this was painful then yes she’d “complain”. But her demeanour in the interview is shocking, so cold.

I described this particular person as an associate, she is not a friend.

I heard through gossip she'd done these things, not first with the information or yes, I'd have reported her, but she did get into trouble with police both times.

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2023-08-19/lucy-letby-police-urged-to-probe-hospital-bosses-for-corporate-manslaughter?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1692514589-1

That article with Dewi Evans is quoted here.

He was calling for an investigation into whether the hospital is responsible for corporate manslaughter

When the Police arrived, they would have said “I am arresting you on . . . . .”. The mother would then know what it was concerning. Also, they had interviewed LL a couple of times before that. Nothing sinister, just a bit desperate.

But non of the whistle blowers would have known she killed those babies. No one saw her do it or had any proof. They might have worried she was dangerous, thought there needed to be an investigation or that she was incompetent but I’m sure non of them thought in a million years she was a serial killer. My point is that many whistleblowers aren’t going to risk their careers for a suspicion or a worry.

They did risk their careers. They did that and they still weren’t listened to. In fact they were accused of bullying. They tried, repeatedly.

They did but I wouldn’t judge those that didn’t. Whistleblowers are not treated well in the NHS.

Surely she would have had at least some inkling given the father had been so closely involved with the hospital processes in advance of the arrests?

But in any event, I agree with pps who have pointed out that you may think you know how you would respond in certain hypothetical situations, but in reality you really don’t. My father dropped dead in front of me when I was 12 and I didn’t cry - not at the time, nor at the funeral, in fact not properly until decades later when I was in therapy. And I adored him. At the time of his death I was off school for a week, and when I returned not all my teachers had been informed. One asked me why I had been off and I laughed. I am definitely not a sociopath or psychopath or whatever. I was in shock, possibly even a bit traumatised. But someone watching me would probably think I was a callous bitch.

For the sake of the families and the devastation and almost a year of court proceedings with no admission or remorse, i am hoping she is made to come to court for her whole life senates

whole life *sentence

@Blueink The court/judge/police etc have no power whatsoever to make her sit in the courtroom for sentencing.

I know one person like LL in apparent personality and upbringing. She’s the centre of her parents universe, has been very sheltered in life and comes across as mentally immature and teenager-ish even though she’s 25. They go to Disneyland together, they also go to see bands like McBusted she loves little girl things and has a glittery Disney water bottle and stuff like that.

She’s also very selfish and capable of doing quite sly, malicious things. I’ve caught her lying about quite significant events and she does odd things when she feels the ‘grown ups’ around her aren’t showing her the attention she deserves.

It’s like she never grew out of her 8 year old self where she’s not really responsible for her actions and has fits of pique if the spotlight isn’t on her.

I'm sure they suspected, but I doubt that's why she only had a plumber as a witness. The lawyer representing her was obligated to defend her to the best of his/her ability or else should not have represented her.
If there was other witnesses that could have helped her case and the lawyer didn't call them then that wouldn't have been a fair trial and could be grounds for appeal I would say.

She couldn't really have witnesses in her defence though, could she? If someone had given her an alibi for these acts then it wouldn't have gone to court. The problem with a case like this is that someone acts when nobody else is there and then if someone is innocent but on their own, nobody else can back them up.

The fact was though that the insulin cases proved without a doubt that someone killed some of the babies. Lucy Letby was the only nurse on duty when all of the babies died. This chart is damning:

There was a married doctor who appeared as a witness behind a screen to protect his identity. It’s being suggested they were in a relationship, as she says they were friends, but there were texts to indicated otherwise. So I’ve read.

Imagine what kind of shit that guy is in now if he’s had an inappropriate relationship with LL. I feel sorry for his poor wife and any DC.

Yes they were texting at midnight etc. Love hearts on the texts. A visit to London together. Shopping. Coffee. I can't imagine his wife has stuck by him.

Apparently he cooled off six months before her arrest. I would love to know what the texts were like then - I can't imagine she let go easily.

I bet he’s seriously regretting getting his actions now. I’m surprised the press hasn’t dug him out yet.

The court granted him anonymity. If the press named him he’s sue their arses off.

I notice in the trial podcast that some staff are named and some aren't. I wondered whether that was in case she was found not guilty as then police might be looking at who else could be responsible.

What do you think?

It’s more likely to protect them from the press, and also I would think people who will be he’s only involved in the investigation will be protected as well.