Lucy Letby guilty

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Lucy Letby has been convicted of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six more.

My thoughts are with the families of the victims.

I hope her friends don’t get hounded by the media as posters have said - the programme was clearly recorded in advance

Dr Ravi Jayaram. He was made to apologise to her.🙄

I very much doubt Lucy would have got away with this for so long if she hadn't been a young white woman.

Sorry you dont believe waking up and breathing is a luxury? I do every single day. I know family/friends who have died alot younger than me (thirties), so consider every day to be a privilege and a luxury (if thats the right word). She doesn’t deserve to wake up and breathe, so all I can hope is every day is living hell for her.

Never mind being signed by two nurses, but at least count and leave a written record of every drug.

I think that every single tablet and every single mm of liquid should definitely be counted.

It's medication . How can you possibly know how much stock level you have if you don't count it?

Well some of them must've made good money selling all those smiley photos of her to the media.
Terrible, but I'm not sure what the point was?
That a seemingly normal looking, beautiful, sociable young woman turns out to be one of (if not THE) most horrific serial killers of our generation?

So there needs to be a controlled drug count every shift. It takes two nurses maybe 15-20 mins to do. That’s with a small number of controlled drug.

if we had to count every single antibiotic tablet and painkiller it would take hours and hours.

Why do we need to know stock control to that level? Twice a week someone does a drug order. They glance in the cupboard and think oh we need some more of x and some more of y.

This is very difficult too, insulin comes in larger vials stored in the fridge, we draw up units and return it, sometimes in tiny amounts. you cant accurately measure whats left in the vial unless you draw it all out, into multiple tiny insulin syringes each time some is used, then try and replace it back into the vial each and every time. Logistically that is never going to happen.

Unless they start stocking it in 2ml vials or something, its impossible to accurately monitor. And i imagine with prem babys, the tiny amounts that cant be noticed easily from the vial, can be fatal.

There is a show on Netflix just now about a Danish killer nurse. Seems she was addicted to the thrill of the situation created by it all. There are some sick f*s about for sure.
https://collider.com/the-nurse-netflix-true-story/

Just goes to show that if you're white you can get away with it

2 unit vials*

I agree completely - force her to face them and that would give the parents one tiny bit of comfort in their horrific situation. She should not be allowed to hide away from what shes done.

I’ll admit the friend wound me up as well with how sure she was. I know it was obviously filmed before the verdict but even if it was my best friend on trial I’m not sure I could bring myself to be filmed for the BBC saying that I’d never believe it unless she said she was guilty. That I know her too well for that etc.

I don’t hold it against her that she had that opinion although I’d hope she eventually changes her mind. But it was a poor decision on her part to agree to take part IMO.

I think you need to read the second paragraph of your post again. Maybe it's just crassly worded, but the fact that Lucy Letby is unlikely to give her parents grandchildren ( as is the case with many daughters across the country) should not be mentioned in the same para as the horrible shocking unimaginable experience of realising y our daughter has been found guilty of murdering several tiny babies and is now known as Britain's worst child killer in modern history,

Thats what i meant, a student will say their supervisor has asked for the keys and they will take them to them to be the second signature. I thought 2nd and 3rd years being second sign was standard tbh. We have 3 unis that we have students from and all 3 can sign, unless that is trust policy not uni?

I haven’t followed the case at all because I’m a massive wuss. I wanted to wait until the verdict as well - I’m going to listen to the podcast now though as it seems there’s so much to this case.

But speaking about her parents - in my family, someone has been charged with a violent crime. A horrific crime - and his parents are so unbelievably deluded about it all. Even when his story has changed, when there’s very graphic photographic evidence of his victim, they think he’s innocent and that these wounds were self inflicted by the victim. It’s staggering to hear otherwise intelligent people be so deluded about their son. I actually wonder if some sort of psychological trigger happens when we do desperately don’t want to believe something is true

After watching the Panorama documentary I really believe there needs to be some kind of prosecution of those hospital managers who failed to investigate a potential murderer in order to protect the hospital's reputation.

Absolutely this.

I also think individual managers should be liable in a civil court, and have to carry the same sort of liability insurance that consultants do. Evidence seems to indicate there were several board members whose (in)actions meant she was able to carry on harming and killing babies.

Why should the board be able to live off their very large pension pots and suffer no penalties (other than a few months of hounding by journalists and some harsh words on LinkedIn, Twatter etc)? There should be real consequences for them.

Three of the main four are still working for various NHS Trusts!

Sorry that's totally impractical. Were I worked on a paeds ICU they once decided to Audit our drug interactions because there had been a few drug errors and near misses. When they completed it they found we had over 5000 drug interactions in a month, thats oral meds injections IV drugs and IV infusions.
If we had had to also sign logs to say how many we had taken and how many were left for every drug, not to mention measuring every liquid and recording that we would have never had time to do anything else
If someone has nefarious motives there are plenty of ways they could harm a patient without the use of drugs.

This thread is bizzare.

This has nothing to do with being white, nothing to do with how bad other nhs trusts are run...

She's a monster and was in a position of trust and high regard within communities.

She's evil and I hope her mother realises this so never visits her.

Sorry to hijack the thread! Haven’t read it much. Does anyone know if anyone involved in it, officers, jury etc are entitled to counselling? Even following the case and the final verdict has me severely upset! I’d hope that there is support for all involved should they need it

Feeling the power/control over others and adrenaline, i'd assume, as is the case with many serial killers. She may have wanted to do it to adults but this was accessible to her - too easily, the way te suspicions were not heeded).

Just awful. This has all really upset me.
My mum thinks she's innocent, I definitely do not.

As awful as she undeniably is the fact the management in the trust ignored all concerns raised seems to have allowed at least to more murders to happen which shows they where very much at fault

Neither was Jimmy Saville. But come on it’s more than fair, MJ was the world’s most obvious pedophile!! Hope the fucker is burning in hell while his dippy fans defend the indefensible

Her motives are al over the media. She had a crush on a married registrar whom she would call/text every time there was something wrong with one of her patients. That's why she was doing it. To get his attention and spend more time with him comforting her

Im just going through this thread so I dont know if any other nurses have commented. The unit looked small and old fashioned compared to mine which is bigger and more modern and you can easily see whats going on in all the rooms really. I do know that the work is so intense and the staff so devoted to the families that something would've been said sooner. Ffs imagine going on your break with her? We are such a close knit group, always have been. The younger ones in their twenties are so close to each other and good friends it would be unbelievable for them to keep quiet if one of them was acting as if they were some kind of saviour swooping in when babies took a turn for the worse and making themselves look good. People would talk and probably to her face as well. I cant be sure but I really dont think it would've gone anywhere as far on my ward. We would've been straight into the office.