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BarelyLiterate · 2023-08-18T12:12:57+00:00

Lucy Letby has been convicted of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six more. My thoughts are with the families of the victims.

EmpressSisi · 18/08/2023 22:18

WhisperingHi · 18/08/2023 21:58

@Mooshamoo I agree, they absolutely should be. Insulin should not be so readily available. And access should be traceable. It's really poor how easily people (presumably patients and parents too if on the ward unsupervised) can access dangerous drugs.

If may cost money, but that's money well spent in my mind.

I mean, I don’t think patients and parents would be able to access the keys. But take me for example. I’m non clinical staff on a childrens’ unit and I have had possession of the fridge keys on several occasions. It’s scary that a ward clerk/receptionist/HCA can have access to the drug fridge, let alone a killer nurse. And no one ever seems to know who has the keys at one time. Literally took us half an hour to find them one day. We had to ask people individually because no one ever officially signs them out.

EsmaCannonball · 18/08/2023 22:19

After watching the Panorama documentary I really believe there needs to be some kind of prosecution of those hospital managers who failed to investigate a potential murderer in order to protect the hospital's reputation. I also think that it should become policy for whistleblowers to go directly to the police if they believe a crime has been committed, and they should be protected by law if they do so.

GreenClock · 18/08/2023 22:20

Cheshire Police did an excellent job. Hats off to them. DCI Nicola Evans is inspiring.

My thoughts are with the jurors, who’ve listened to some truly dreadful stuff doing their duty for society.

And the parents…most of all, the poor parents. I’m so glad that most of them saw justice done.

Also feel for Lucy’s parents, I must say.

Abouttimemum · 18/08/2023 22:22

Igotjelly · 18/08/2023 22:14

Frankly the number of people on here who seem to think they know better than the jury of 12 people who have sat through months of evidence, weighed and considered that very carefully and returned a guilty verdict is astounding.

Could not agree with this more

Robinhood47 · 18/08/2023 22:22

Cctv should be installed in units with vulnerable persons.

Has lucy letby had a mental health assessment yet?

The only answer is she is mentally sick.

I cant come to peace that anyone would do this otherwise.

turnthetvdown · 18/08/2023 22:23

I find the whole thing so incredibly upsetting that I haven't managed to read much about it.

Those poor little darlings. God bless their families.

May she rot in hell.

HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas · 18/08/2023 22:23

EmpressSisi · 18/08/2023 22:18

I mean, I don’t think patients and parents would be able to access the keys. But take me for example. I’m non clinical staff on a childrens’ unit and I have had possession of the fridge keys on several occasions. It’s scary that a ward clerk/receptionist/HCA can have access to the drug fridge, let alone a killer nurse. And no one ever seems to know who has the keys at one time. Literally took us half an hour to find them one day. We had to ask people individually because no one ever officially signs them out.

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That’s poor practice, nobody should have the keys who has no business going in the cupboard/fridge. If a ward clerk, hca, receptionist , student asked me for the keys I’d refuse.

EmpressSisi · 18/08/2023 22:24

HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas · 18/08/2023 22:23

That’s poor practice, nobody should have the keys who has no business going in the cupboard/fridge. If a ward clerk, hca, receptionist , student asked me for the keys I’d refuse.

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It is poor practise. Fully agree. But it does happen. Happens at my hospital. And Lucy said it happened at her hospital.

Flapjacker48 · 18/08/2023 22:25

@Robinhood47 She will have been professionally assesed as physcially and mentally fit to stand trial.

whynotwhatknot · 18/08/2023 22:26

apprently her mum screamed no this isnt right-complete denial all round

after beverly allit i never tho9ught id see this again in my lifetime

rip

Pinkprescription · 18/08/2023 22:26

Tiredmum100 · 18/08/2023 22:01

I haven't worked on a ward for many years, but when I did (adult ward) the insulins were kept in the fridge, so you could just draw up and administer the insulin as the doctor had prescribed. There was no log or record. I'm not sure if that's different these days. The only meds locked up were morphine based meds etc. They would need 2 nurses to sign out.

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I think another serial killer Victorino used insulin to kill elderly patients. I'm not sure why it is chosen.

Robinhood47 · 18/08/2023 22:26

Staff get complacent and comfortable with eachh other and turn a blind eye to such breaches of procedures.

drpet49 · 18/08/2023 22:27

BishyBarnyBee · 18/08/2023 22:07

The Panorama programme was obviously set up to be completed as soon as the verdict was announced. But most of it was filmed and recorded previously.

You need to be clear that her friends were defending her before she was found guilty. There is no arrogance in it at all. It's a perfectly normal reaction of a friend who can't believe someone she thought was one kind of person is actually a completely different person.

There were people on here analysing all the evidence and claiming that Letby was set up to protect consultants or the hospital. Presumably that's what her friends told themselves had happened.

Now she's been found guilty, her friends will be in shock and having to come to terms with the fact that she was so far from what she had seemed to be for all those years. It would be very wrong to blame them for something that even her colleagues found almost unbelievable - "Not nice Lucy?"

Lucy deserves everything she gets, but I hope other people don't come to the same ignorant conclusion that you have and start persecuting someone whose only crime was to stick up for a friend like any of us might do.

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I wouldn’t say 'Unless Lucy turned around and said I’m guilty I will never believe that she’s guilty.' ever in a million years about anyone I knew.

I’m glad the Daily Mail have picked up on her friends comments

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12422131/Lucy-never-believe-guilty-Childhood-friend-killer-nurse-Lucy-Letby-innocent.html

'I will never believe she's guilty: Lucy Letby's friend stands by her

Letby is now the UK's most prolific child killer as the government announces an inquiry into the deaths at the Chester Hospital, with police to look at 4,000 children who she had a role caring for.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12422131/Lucy-never-believe-guilty-Childhood-friend-killer-nurse-Lucy-Letby-innocent.html

panko · 18/08/2023 22:27

HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas · 18/08/2023 22:17

Think you’ve answered your own question. If every drug was controlled and had to be checked and signed for by two members of staff. Plus count every single tablet or mm of liquid in the drug’s cupboard we’d never get any other work done. Or we’d need double the staff.

99.9% of nurses are not murdering patients. Thankfully it’s very rare.

Though typing this I’m just reminded of the doctor down Portsmouth/Southampton way who was suspected of murdering patients. There was a tv expose about her but she’s never been charged and that’s gone quiet.

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Blimey!

mumofteenss · 18/08/2023 22:27

HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas · 18/08/2023 22:23

That’s poor practice, nobody should have the keys who has no business going in the cupboard/fridge. If a ward clerk, hca, receptionist , student asked me for the keys I’d refuse.

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2nd and 3rd year nursing students can second sign controlled drugs and are often sent to look for keys in my trust and attached unis, but i agree id never hand them to a hca/clerk/receptionist.

Robinhood47 · 18/08/2023 22:28

Flapjacker48 · 18/08/2023 22:25

@Robinhood47 She will have been professionally assesed as physcially and mentally fit to stand trial.

Could she still not been clever at hiding her mind?

Jurisprudense · 18/08/2023 22:28

User8646382 · 18/08/2023 22:00

I’m offering an opinion, same as you.

What exactly would the GMC have done to any one of them for expressing a legitimate concern backed up by six others with the same concern, all of them consultants? Suspend them? For what exactly? Whistleblowers are protected by law.

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If you can show any example of a whistleblower who has thrived after exposing wicked or criminal behaviour, I would love to see it.

Cabella · 18/08/2023 22:28

Not mentioning this killer's name, she should be dragged out of her cell on Monday to face the court. Send the prison officers in mob handed if necessary, why should she bury her head in the sand when the parents of the babies she killed have been there since the start of the trial, feel for the jury too, there's talk of a retrial for the verdicts the jury could not reach.

RosaGallica · 18/08/2023 22:29

If there is so much evidence against her you have to ask yourself: how does this keep happening? I’m not in healthcare, but work with children. Time and again we hear of child deaths, usually in other circumstances, where concerns are raised and nothing is done. Yet every single one of us working with children or in any way involved is put through safeguarding training. How do these few manage to get away with it, while all of us are DBS’d and trained and checked until we dare not say anything in case it is taken down and used against us??

Vettrianofan · 18/08/2023 22:30

whynotwhatknot · 18/08/2023 22:26

apprently her mum screamed no this isnt right-complete denial all round

after beverly allit i never tho9ught id see this again in my lifetime

rip

I agree. You would think lessons would have been learnt after the Beverly Allitt case.

panko · 18/08/2023 22:30

drpet49 · 18/08/2023 22:27

I wouldn’t say 'Unless Lucy turned around and said I’m guilty I will never believe that she’s guilty.' ever in a million years about anyone I knew.

I’m glad the Daily Mail have picked up on her friends comments

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12422131/Lucy-never-believe-guilty-Childhood-friend-killer-nurse-Lucy-Letby-innocent.html

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Before the verdict. Before the realisation that actually yes she's guilty. Before it sinks in. A presumably non media trained friend.

FallingStar21 · 18/08/2023 22:31

beconase · 18/08/2023 13:56

Beverly allot came across as weird and had previous form for being weird.. letby seemed so so normal.

A young, white British female - is that what you mean by "so so normal"?

whynotwhatknot · 18/08/2023 22:31

drpet49 · 18/08/2023 22:27

I wouldn’t say 'Unless Lucy turned around and said I’m guilty I will never believe that she’s guilty.' ever in a million years about anyone I knew.

I’m glad the Daily Mail have picked up on her friends comments

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12422131/Lucy-never-believe-guilty-Childhood-friend-killer-nurse-Lucy-Letby-innocent.html

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another one deluded-no i wouldnt belive it of my friend till she was found guilty-then id disown her

monsteramunch · 18/08/2023 22:31

@ASoapImpressionOfHisWifeWhichHeAte

I wonder what evidence the jury have seen that hasn't been made public because nothing I've seen makes me think that she is guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

The trial was over nine months long, with quite literally tens of thousands of pieces of evidence. Complex testimony from medical experts.

The jury had access to all that information (unlike posters on Reddit etc) and found that in a number of the cases, she was guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

In other cases they didn't feel the evidence met the threshold legally to deliver a guilty verdict, though I'm sure that will have been difficult for those of them who felt on balance that it was likely she was guilty of all charges.

They've taken their job extremely seriously and understood the 'beyond reasonable doubt' threshold means a verdict can only be delivered if that threshold is absolutely met.

You say there's no smoking gun and it's 'very circumstantial' but there is nothing wrong with circumstantial evidence. Almost all evidence is in fact circumstantial, including DNA. It's a common misconception that circumstantial evidence is somehow 'bad' or poor quality evidence. This is not true.

The literally thousands of pieces of evidence over a trial taking more than nine months convinced a jury that she is guilty beyond reasonable doubt of seven murders and six attempted murders.

HaveYouHeardOfARoadAtlas · 18/08/2023 22:31

mumofteenss · 18/08/2023 22:27

2nd and 3rd year nursing students can second sign controlled drugs and are often sent to look for keys in my trust and attached unis, but i agree id never hand them to a hca/clerk/receptionist.

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Not where I work they can’t. Policy states two registered staff must sign for controlled drugs. I’m amazed that’s not national. It certainly is for midwifery students. Even if nursing students can sign as a second person in some areas they still have no need for the keys as they’d be the second person and under direct supervision. Guess I’d give a student the key if they’d come to find them for their supervisor and said they were taking them straight to their supervisor.