Lucy Letby guilty

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Lucy Letby has been convicted of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six more.

My thoughts are with the families of the victims.

The NHS is no different to the Police/Military for closing ranks to protect themselves, the only difference is that the others don't have an army of online sycophants who treat the NHS like a religion and any slight is seen as NHS bashing.

I'm sure I've read that most serial killers target babies or old people. And that many never get caught.

I wonder whether she ever sees what she did as murder, or whether she thought she was doing them a kindness, as they were so ill. Which would put her in the playing god category.

Or whether, as pp have said, she became addicted to the drama and adrenaline and attention of the seriously ill babies, so kept trying to recreate it.

The panorama programme said that five other babies died on that unit in the year the alarm was being raised and police are still investigating those.

They’re also investigating other baby deaths.

IMO this is the tip of the ice berg.

I pity her godchildren. I sincerely hope that their mother doesn’t give them the “she’s innocent” speel that she did on the programme. I’m glad she’s never allowed to hear anything about them.

I felt really sorry for her friend in that panorama programme she was still adamant (and said their mutual friends were adamant) that she didn’t do it

I was dumbfounded when the friend, Dawn, came out with that on Panorama! The stupid woman has gone on national tv and declared she won’t ever believe Lucy Letby did this unless Lucy admits it to her herself because she knows Lucy and has grown up with her. The anbsolute arrogance of the friend.

Shame on that woman. Shame on her.

If they do find that the others are potentially related to her actions, does she go back to court, or do they add those to her sentence?

Nailed it @ForTheLoveOfSleep

How dare she. How dare she plead not guilty.

They'd have to be a trial, no one can be convicted without one

They can't just add other alleged deaths to her sentence. They would have to take them (and her) to trial.

@PickledMuffin unless she pleaded guilty that is

Thanks for the reply. So they will have to check all potential 4000 cases, so this can be some time before it comes to court again. All those families who could be potentially involved in this 😵

A more sinister version of Beverly Allitt.

You can't just add to a sentence.

You can try someone for a new crime and give them a separate sentence for that crime if convicted, but in no way can you just add time to someone's tariff! That would be a gross miscarriage of justice.

You are seriously equating the horror of what she has been found guilty of and the massive shock for her parents, with the experience ofparents whose children do not make them grandparents? No words!

She won't be attacked by other prisoners.

She'll be placed on a wing with vulnerable prisoners who have hurt children as well.

There will be a whole team of prison staff having meetings soon to discuss how they can manage her safety in prison.

This is how it works (unfortunately).

So true!!

They obvs didn’t know they had a serial murderer nurse on NICU
presumption,assumption, professional conflicts of nursing vs medics, senior nurses protection of their own. Naïve trust. Multiple factors. She presented as innocuous And ordinary . Conscious and unconscious bias Protected her

As an old NICU nurse I am shocked beyond belief. We loved the babies ( I even brought one home) as if they were our own! What a heinous woman like Beverly Allett. May they rot in prison!

Agree with those who have said that her utterly average, unremarkable exterior fully enabled her to play to conscious and unconscious bias in others, masking the extraordinarily evil things she was doing.

So terrible. Prison is not punishment enough. Pure evil.

I think everyone is grieving (of course not with the intensity of the poor parents). One of the stages of grief is shock and disbelief so I wonder if some people just can't comprehend that someone they might also have entrusted with the care of their own children, could do such a thing.

I must admit I have a hard time getting my head round it. Letby's parents will be hysterical with grief and will also not want to believe that their beloved daughter was capable of such acts.

One thing I find really hard is that nobody seems able to explain why she did it.

My heart goes out to those who lost their children, to all their relatives and to the jury who have done amazing work.

January 2017

According to sources at the hospital, CEO Tony Chambers and medical director Ian Harvey met with the consultants, saying investigations had been completed and Letby would return to work.

HSJ has seen documents suggesting her grievance was upheld, with the trust finding her removal from the ward had been “orchestrated by the consultants with no hard evidence”.

The findings added: “[The consultants] behaviours and comments, as witnessed by a number of senior managers and executive staff fall far short of what is expected by the trust and professional standards… Immediate steps need to be taken to address these behaviours, ideally through mediation… and with apologies from all of the named consultants who made unsubstantiated comments.”

The sources claimed the consultants were told there would be consequences if they refused to work with Letby, as it could leave them open to a GMC referral.

https://www.hsj.co.uk/countess-of-chester-hospital-nhs-foundation-trust/revealed-how-trust-execs-resisted-concerns-over-letby/7035170.article

I completely agree that she is a heinous and evil being but to use the term psychotic is just disablist and wrong.
I work in mental health, there is no suggestion that Lucy is psychotic and all you are doing is furthering prejudice against those living with psychoses, who are not in the slightest dangerous.

They can’t extend her sentence for the other crimes but if she is e.g.given a whole life tariff they can suggest that other deaths are attributable to her.

So e.g. in the case of Harold Shipman he was only actually convicted of 15 murders, but an enquiry found that he was responsible for at least 218 deaths,and possibly as many as 240.

Insulin isn’t a controlled drug so she wouldn’t have needed to sign for it. Anyone can access it so long as they have access to the fridge keys.

They might have noticed a bottle missing but it wasn’t being monitored properly. I think someone on another thread said that when they did a stock check they noted that the unit had used more vials of insulin in that year compared to the year before. But it’s difficult to stock check properly as it’s so potent in small doses.