Lucy Letby guilty

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Lucy Letby has been convicted of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six more.

My thoughts are with the families of the victims.

I can’t find anything about the consultants being threatened to being referred to the GMC if they went to the police, but even if it’s true, it’s a shit reason for, effectively, putting babies at risk.

Even one of the consultants regrets keeping quiet:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/national/23353854.doctor-wishes-gone-straight-police-lucy-letby-concerns/

Problem with the death penalty though is that is requires a person to carry the killing through. Lots of cases of PTSD in America in state executioners. Its a lot to ask for someone for what is essentially revenge.

How can you say she was a scapegoat @POWL01 when the top brass didn't investigate worries about her, seven consultants were made to apologise to her on pain of being reported to the GMC, the top brass didn't report anything to the police until years had passed and they moved her to an admin job rather than suspend her away from the hospital when they did start finally investigating.

That's hardly the hospital using her as a scapegoat is it?!

So how is she a scapegoat? When the top brass 'protected' her from all these calls for an investigation/suspension/concerns for so long?

I agree. What do people mean by she looks normal?

What do appearances mean? Is she supposed to look like Hannibal Lecter?

Yes, she's a bad person and a murderer. But I hate these she "looks normal" posts. As if appearance has anything to do with anything.

I thought this. And it’s not a case of thinking “I always thought that….” Now that she’s been found guilty, I hadn’t seen her before, but I just watched the arrest and the bit of the first interview on the BBC,and she seems totally devoid of emotion.

And those texts - it’s chilling, it’s clearly meant to look as if she was having a hard time, but knowing what we know now it seems evident that she was texting to gloat almost.

The scariest thing is how long it went unnoticed.

It didn't though. A consultant made his suspicions known. He was forced to attend mediation sessions with her and ultimately was made to apologise to her for making accusations.

The public inquiry is going to be very enlightening.

I agree. Makes me sick.

Those poor innocent wee souls and their parents.

All the deaths are horrific but the one that really stuck out was the parents of the ivf twins. To go through all of that and then that evil cunt to try and take both of them away? I have no words.

I hope she rots and doesn't take the easy way out.

If she has anything about her she’ll do it herself.

And I know that people say it’s the coward’s way out, but really, what is there being achieved by her spending the rest of her life in jail. Why not just do us all a favour.

Yes I feel sorry for her parents as well.

She's an only child, so as well as trying to come to terms with what she did and who they raised, they've also lost the opportunity to be grandparents as she's not coming out of prison anytime soon.

That said, the fact she'll never have the opportunity to have children of her own would seem like an added form of justice.

As to why she did it, unless she confesses we will never know the reasons, though personally I think it's simply because she enjoyed doing it. Not the killing per se but the outcomes of getting attention from colleagues, consoling the families, getting time from her Dr "friend". Basically getting people's attention - bear in mind how very ordinary she presented. This made her special.

Possibly she first experienced this when a baby died of natural causes, but because this was quite a rare event she created the circumstances to experience these feelings again and again.

Psychopaths often appear to be not only entirely normal but extremely charming and hence able to manipulate others easily-I think that has been the case here .

Actually it was several consultants (and yes suspicions were raised very quickly all things considered). When she was reinstated on the neonatal ward all 7 paediatricians were forced to sign an apology letter for the accusations that had been made against her.

Of course in hindsight there's a lot many people would do differently, it's good the doctors are reflecting but personally to me it feels unfair to judge them. They're the reason it reached trial and the reason she was removed from the ward. Sure lives could have been saved if it had happened sooner, but very much LL and the managers who didn't listen are the ones to blame. A referral to the GMC is no small fry, and although knowing what we know now of course that'd be worth it, but at the time although it was clear something was going on I don't think the concerns extended to thinking she was actively murdering these babies.

I actually hope she does.

But I suppose it depends on whether people feel there’s an afterlife or not. If there is, then we all know where she’s going. If there isn’t, then oblivion is all she deserves.

So I guess I hope really that there’s an afterlife,and a hell. Where she’ll spend the rest of eternity enduring the same suffering that she heaped upon those innocent babies.

For me, the fact the jury found her guilty on some charges and not others give me MORE faith in their verdict, not less. They've obviously taken their job very seriously, spent a long time reviewing all of the evidence they've had to listen to over this extended trial, and come to strong conclusions on each point.

Those poor babies and their families.

Thank you, I will look into more tonight. My child was a 28wk prem and I went in to work in SCBU (same level) there just wasn’t that many incidents and when there was it was a it was a big deal, I don’t doubt something going on in the ward, just too many incidents, but like lots (I’m guessing) just torn because they can’t imagine why someone would do it, that and the evidence wasn’t there. I guess more will come to light now, things that didn’t make it to court

I cant help but agree, I m not sure Munchausen by proxy is right. They tend to want attention on themselves and it seems like she was doing this more to garner attention from the Dr she was obsessed with, it was more specific than just getting general attention. The children were merely a means to achieve that.

Her lack of empathy towards those babies, the lying and manipulation, the deflection, the fascination with the parents grief and suffering fits more with sociopath/psychopath. (sociopaths lack empathy, their brains just aren't wired to experience it, so this might have fascinated her in a morbid way).

This. And the jury will almost certainly be traumatised too.

Re the threats to the consultants of a GMC referral, I have seen it in several places. The HSJ has an extremely detailed description of the timeline which mentions this, for example.

Unfortunately that is not the case that appearances have nothing to do with anything. How she looks could be the very reason that suspicions were not raised long before. How many times has ridiculous posts appeared on here saying that she does not look like a murderer? As if there is a textbook look, or something.

No words. Those poor babies and parents. Just utterly heartbreaking.

I'm also very angry about the cover up by the executives.

This could well be outing but I went through similar gaslighting in a very well known British Retailer some 25 years ago. A bunch of incredibly nasty women supervisors were bullying almost every member of staff to the point of pushing people to suicide. I raised a formal complaint and was nearly forced out of my job as a result - I was effectively 'paid' off and moved. Years later, I found out the main culprits were actually sacked and justice had been served but I always wonder how come so many people in high positions ignored formal complaints (including mine). At the time, to anyone not working under those conditions, it seemed easy - raise a complaint. But the gaslighting, the 360 degree turn that those you were complaining too made (so it's you that's the problem not them) and the fact I was threatened with losing my job (and therefore my income and my livelihood) meant that I had no choice but to put up and shut up. And deal with contemplating suicide as that was the extent of the vindictive bullying that was taking place. I still have mental issues surrounding this to this day.

And that was just in a shop. I still mentally hold those people who didn't help me and others just as responsible.

RIP to those little angels who deserved much much better from everyone around them.

What an evil crime.

The Hospitals really needs to delve deep into nurse's psychiatric health before employing them- This isn't the first case of people murdering babies while on the ward..or even of murderous doctors {Shipman}
Poor Families.

I think she looked shocked and distraught but didn't quite know how to be

Will the hospital management who protected her face any repercussions?

Why did they protect her ? It makes no sense.

Part of me wanted her to be innocent because I cannot comprehend her deliberately killing babies. My twins were in scbu and I love the nurses who cared for them. You put your trust in them. What letby did is devastating and the managers’ refusal to listen isn’t new. That needs further investigation!