Lucy Letby guilty

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Lucy Letby has been convicted of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six more.

My thoughts are with the families of the victims.

Killers can look like anyone.

I read a book about ted Bundy once. A couple of the women who survived being with him (very few) , said they trusted him and got into his car: because he looked like a nice, normal well dressed man.

Actually one woman said something interesting.

She said she was at her college. And it was raining. She had an umbrella. Ted Bundy approached her and asked could she walk him to his car so he could shelter under her unbrella. She said yes as she wanted to be a good Samaritan. She said that he looked like a nice normal gentleman.

He began to walk to a very far away car space and she began to think that she wanted to get back to class. It was daytime. She said that all of a sudden she got an overwhelming gut instinct that something bad was about to happen, and she turned and ran quickly away from him.

She said she ran a far way across the campus and then looked back at him. He said "you forgot your umbrella", and she said "you can keep it, it's ok".

Then she went into the college, and she said that she was a bit embarrassed at her reaction. That she had wanted to be kind to people and she thought she had been a bit unkind to the man.

Then she forgot about it. Until later, she saw his face on the news . He was Ted Bundy.

Always trust your gut instinct. No matter how nice normal and smart people look

She definitely fits the profile of a serial killer, even taking souvenirs. Her victims were tiny helpless babies though rather than the adult victims normally associated with serial killers.

Serial killers quite often start with killing and torturing defenceless animals. LL may well have graduated onto older babies and children if she got the chance. She obviously grew greater in confidence at killing the more she got away with it. Imagine how powerful she must have felt and the thrill she must have got when doctors were made to apologise to her for raising concerns!

It beggars belief.

I can’t imagine how the parents of the murdered and injured babies feel about this conviction. On one hand they have some justice but on the other they have to cope with the fact that the person who they trusted (and why wouldn’t they) to keep their previous babies alive murdered them in cold blood, even getting ‘excited’ about it, and the hospital effectively facilitated that by ignoring concerns raised by professionals who should have been listened to. Must be so hard as I can imagine hoping that such horror couldn’t have actually happened.

That was my instant reaction when I saw the news earlier, god no, it’s so horrific, that it surely couldn’t have happened but it did. I didn’t read take much notice of the case as I thought no, can’t be true.

Those parents who’s twins and two triplets were murdered one after the other - unfathomable.

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I think it was a pension pot rather than an annual pension, but still very generous.

Those of you who feel the evidence is too circumstantial and fear she is NG, what probably isn't clear in the reporting but may tip some people over to guilty was her behavior. Her testimony on the stand and if you look back over other text messages she was leaving false trails, false documentation, gaslighting colleagues etc there was also only one defence witness too. Circumstantial evidence is still evidence. Sadly as much as its horrible to contemplate, it's a strong verdict imho.

I am baffled as to why so many posters on here seem determined to believe that she’s not guilty and that a dreadful miscarriage of justice has occurred.

Just why? The timeline is clear, the evidence is clear. All evidence is circumstantial when it comes down to it. Very few murderers are actually caught in the act of murdering. So why is this so different for some?

Do you think that she should have been released? And then what? How do you think that all the deaths of those babies, all of which happened on her watch and in her presence) could be explained?

There wasn’t any evidence that Harold shipman had killed the fifteen people he was convicted of murdering either. But not only that, it is believed that he killed at least 218 people and possibly as many as 240. Yet I don’t recall anyone claiming that his trial and conviction was a terrible miscarriage of justice.

Is it because she’s a woman? Because if so it’s high time that we stepped away from this thinking that being a woman somehow makes one a better person and less likely of committing evil. It doesn’t.

Imagine your husband were a prison officer responsible for forcing an 18 stone violent criminal into the dock. Would you be so quick to call people soft then? They really, really don't get paid enough.

The convicted can refuse to appear in court for sentencing, whether you and everyone else on here like it or not.

It is not a crime. It is never going to result in additional prison time or punishment despite what some may wish.

You cannot have a potentially disruptive convict in a court (because it will disrupt proceedings, distress victims etc) therefore there will never be a mechanism to force them to attend.

It’s not just that she is a woman. She is a young white woman, blonde, girl next door type. Respectable. All these things influence public opinion. If she was black or brown trust me there wouldn’t be anything like as much questioning of this verdict on threads like these.

I said why don't they have cameras in baby wards.

Surely there should be cameras in wards where there are very sick babies.

And there especially should be cameras installed in a ward where a lot of deaths have occured.

They would probably need to ask parents permission for cameras to be installed. I am sure many parents would be very happy for cameras to be installed on a neonatal ward.

I just watched the video of her arrest. It was bizarre. She just went out to the car almost like she was going on an outing. No emotion what so ever. Very strange.

Even when she said she’d had knee surgery it was said in such a matter of fact way.

Those senior manager who kept trying to move her back onto neonatal, ignored consultants and refused police involvement should be made to face the consequences of these appalling actions.

The whole case is horrific, but the fact that doctors raised concerns for months means that some babies could have been saved if the hospital had acted earlier - that can only make it even harder for the families.

Horrendous. Evil, evil woman.

No it really wasn't, there's no real evidence. It was a very badly run unit and she's the scapegoat, it's an awful miscarriage of justice.

I hope those managers are haunted until the day they die - they have responsibility here too for letting LL continue to work and to kill.

Reputation over babies lives. Scum. I hope they see how much we hold them in utter contempt.

I had a NICU baby, and honestly, this makes me sick with fear. Those poor poor parents, you feel so helpless and out of control in that situation, so you literally put your childs life in their hands, you trust them with your precious baby, and you have no reason not to, so the fact someone could do this is incomprehensible.

Thankfully the jury disagree with you and that evil bitch will never taste freedom again.

@POWL01 How can you say with such confidence she was a scapegoat ?!

She can’t.

Carlee Russell tried her best 🤣

I think people are misunderstanding certainly what I mean when I say the evidence was circumstantial, I don't think the verdict is shaky as I agree, what she wrote and how she behaved and what she kept and searched on the internet, all play into this as well.

But clearly a video of her picking up the insulin, or injecting something, or moving a tube or being seen to do so by another health professional would have been clinching evidence from the outset. That was not presented.

Surely people can see it would have been better to have that type of evidence rather than try to interpret her notes, map her shifts onto deaths and intuit her 'excitement'. It's extremely likely she did it, but the jury has to find on the evidence, they did but there was not enough for some convictions nevertheless

It's not supporting someone, or falling for their innocent looks to discuss the type of evidence, indeed this trial dragged on so long because of the nature of the evidence and because such a large quantity was needed and for each count, because there wasn't one clinching case (except the insulin, but even then she as not seen administering it).

It will be interesting to see whether other charges are brought after her other workplace mortality rates are reviewed. I suspect yes.

Incredibly sad for the families, it's beyond imagination what this person is like.

Thanks for this. It really puts it into perspective.

I’ve been reading the evidence etc online. One of the things I find hard to understand is that in several of the deaths the original cause of death was recorded as bowel issues or some other cause, and then later they’ve found out the death was due to insulin being administered or air being injected - how on earth does this happen? As in, cause of death being assumed (as this is, I suspect, what happened) and recorded thereby incorrectly. And then how / why / when it is later challenged and investigated properly and recorded properly? Surely that means a lot of deaths in the NHS are recorded incorrectly.

I believe she did it by the way. I also believe the NHS itself is fatally flawed. They’ve nearly killed me twice through incompetence. Recording things correctly at the time is just as important as later holding someone to account.

In time someone will be on the media to reassure us that lessons will be learned.
That will reassure us.

Won’t it?