Lucy Letby guilty

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Lucy Letby has been convicted of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six more.

My thoughts are with the families of the victims.

I just read the timeline of her actions on

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2023-08-18/timeline-of-events-in-the-conviction-of-killer-nurse-lucy-letby

It's really disgusting.

It's disgusting that she looked up the parents on Facebook after the deaths. Killers often enjoy parents suffering.

It's also disgusting that she attempted to murder the same baby several times, and left one baby very disabled.

She definitely enjoyed the power. She is evil.

The reason is that she just enjoyed having the power of having life or death over people. She enjoyed it. Some dark evil people enjoy having that much power over others.

Ted Bundy said he enjoyed killing.

I feel sick and I feel like vomiting after reading a timeline of her actions. One of the worst cases I've ever read about.

Really evil

@AvocadotoastORahouse they did go further, they asked the Royal College of Child Physicians to investigate. The Trust did not properly act on the results of that enquiry.

You also have to remember that this group of clinicians were being threatened by GMC referral therefore were in fear of their own professional lives.

Christ almighty. That timeline makes horrific reading.

What a brutal, cruel, dark soul she has.

Sorry Royal college of paediatrics and child health. The trust then brought in their own external investigator who did not give a comprehensive or definitive report.

It’s already uploaded to iPlayer, I am watching it now

People are so full of their own self importance on this site and apparently you aren’t allowed to have a different perspective. Gone seem to be the days of fair and reasoned arguments, while respecting someone else’s point of view. I can only assume it is lack of intellect that causes people to respond with such vitriol, rather than allow for opinions aside from their own. It’s quite easy to say you disagree with something without having to resort to character assassination.

FWIW I followed the podcast closely and like you, was also surprised at the lack of actual evidence. I’m not saying that she didn’t do it, but I really assumed there would be more evidence that she was seen injecting the air or insulin, even on just one occasion. But she was not once caught actually doing it.

Not ness. Insulin in most places i have worked is in a locked fridge, but the keys are handed around as needed, the doors have access codes on them but dont require card access. It is in glass vials and we draw up as many units as we need, this is the checked by a second nurse against a prescription and placed back in the fridge. But its not documented how much we have in the fridge at any given time. Controlled drugs are written in books, we write in what we took and what was placed back and it is again checked and witnessed by a second nurse. But insulin isnt a controlled drug, anyone can have the keys and quantities arent written down.

I however, work in adult wards and areas, this could be different in childrens care, and could vary between trusts.

@Mooshamoo Yep. Two previous cases which really affected me were one in Scotland on a little 6 year old girl stripped naked, brutally attacked & murdered in the woods. Also the Gabby Petito case in the US.
Reading about such evil has turned me into an extremely anxious mother.

But she was not once caught actually doing it.

Hw many murderers have ever been caught in the act? I can’t think of a single one.

It's awful isn't it.

I feel tarnished after reading it. I can feel the evil. It's just horrendous and disgusting.

One awful thing is where she attempted to murder some babies and they nearly died, but they were saved.

And then she attempted to murder them again.

Its awful to read :

Baby survives murder attempt number one,

Then it says Lucy goes back to try to kill him a second time.

Her doing Facebook searches on the parents hours later just seems so evil and cold. She was looking for their suffering.

I feel ill

Well I'm sure tbe jury know more about it than you or anyone on MN.

You would hope that the buck would stop at the top, but most of those who are at the top are adept at refusing to budge. I expect we'll hear "lessons will be learnt" anytime now...another meaningless load of old cobblers that gets trotted out regularly.

But circumstantial evidence is fine, I don’t understand your problem? Even finger prints & DNA are circumstantial. Direct evidence is only eyewitness testimony or a confession, everything else is circumstantial and the more circumstantial evidence there is (in this case A LOT) the easier it is to infer a connection.

Anyone who has worked in a high security women prison will tell you that the majority look like "any person on the planet" as @BeggyMitchell says. Perhaps we all watch too many films where the villain is often someone with strange looks. Or "foreign".

Jeez.... Just read that Ian Harvey, the hospital's Medical Director when Letby was there, retired in 2018 to the south of France with a £1.8 million pound pension...

Is it possible that all the managers that refused to act can be investigated & possibly prosecuted even if they're retired or have moved on?
Or will it be just the Trust be held responsible?

Reading that timeline of events I can't understand how she was left in the ward for so long.

It says she tried to kill several sets of twins , and a set of triplets.

the death of a baby is suspicious.

But surely the deaths and near deaths of a couple of sets of twins should have really raised alarm bells.

One twin dying ,then another twin dying is extremely uncommon.

Also why don't they have cameras in baby wards?

Ive no idea if she’s guilty or not, but I’ve been following the BBC podcast and with the evidence against her I didn’t think they could find her guilty without a doubt, I’m shocked.

Couple of points. I advocate for my adult children. They are autistic and if they need/want support,I provide it.

Secondly, my twins were born at 33 weeks, (now in their twenties) they were in scbu for a fortnight, it was really scary. I cannot imagine how the parents of these victims feel. All you desperately want is to ensure they’re safe and get them home. The units work in that the closer to the nurses station, the more severe the case. We used to get really excited when they were moved further away.
I can see that it may have been all too easy for her.

They dont have cameras in wards for privacy and dignity. patients may be in a state of undress, how do you secure the footage to ensure its not used for nefarious purposes?

Had the Trust acted properly, though, by installing cameras in a neo-natal unit where there were unexplained deaths and where a nurse had come under suspicion, there might well have been more than circumstantial evidence. Someone said most murders are not captured through direct filming or eyewitness testimony, but most people only commit one act, she was convicted of 13 murders or attempted murders and many others are suspected, so that level of tampering and rates of deaths should have been actively monitored. Parents are videoed where Munchausen by Proxy is suspected.

I thought that. She looks so utterly normal.

Those poor families. There's no worse tragedy than this.

So many previous inquiries into so many other cases about so many different events. Another probable whitewash, methinks.

The 110 hours of deliberations must have meant there was a lot to consider, but we have to accept the jury was the best informed. I just find it incredible that a woman and nurse could be so unbelievably evil. I don't even want to go unto the cesspits of such a mind.

How on earth can someone refuse to appear in court?? You shouldn’t get a choice!