Lucy Letby guilty

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Lucy Letby has been convicted of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six more.

My thoughts are with the families of the victims.

How bloody rude!!

I hate threads like this, everyone outdoing themselves in righteous indignation, piling on the handful of people expressing allowed (if disliked, no one says you have to like or agree with them) opinions. Sneering, using ridiculous analogies and bad faith rhetoric to appear clever.

Actually covid (your bad faith example) is actually quite pertinent, as mumsnet became a raging echo chamber then. Difference of opinion to lockdown wasn't allowed. Those who disagreed were called dumb, SAVE THE NHS YOU FOOLS etc etc.

Now. The Jury have made their verdict. The verdict will stand. Nothing I, or anyone says will make any difference.

However, I am allowed by reason of it being a free country still, to say that (and bearing in mind there have been some high profile miscarriages of justice in other related cases) that I FELT THERE WAS A LOT OF CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE IN THIS CASE.

Feel free to ignore me. I accept that people strongly disagree. Someone said several pages back that is not the place. I'll accept that. And anyone so offended by this comment or earlier ones can bloody well ask mumsnet to delete it. That's truly fine with me! I really will understand that.

I shan't be responding to anymore comments. Carry on with burning the witch.

If they refuse to leave cell for sentencing then live broadcast the sentencing on the main prison screen with all inmates watching throughout the prison instead. And get them filmed even through window in door and this shown to court as it happens. Sure 99% of them would prefer to trot off to the van and go to court than face that.

People abuse their positions when taking care of the weak, in many many places.

It is a sad fact of thia Earth.

The strong abuse the weak. Because they can.

So babies, children, women and elderly grt abused.

I went to visit my mother in a nursing home. When I walked out I saw staff verbally abuse an elderly male patient. They spoke to him in a disgusting way. He was very frail and using a stick. They laughed at him and shouted at him to get out of the way.

There is a lot of elder abuse in nursing homes.

When you put people in charge of caring for the weak, many people will abuse that position.

@mollyminniemo that's also a ridiculous suggestion! 'Main prison screen'??

What's one of those?

I think you're right - she played the sympathy card because it always worked.

I bet she learned that during her childhood.

Now. I suspect his resignation will be shortly requested.

They both denied an affair. He did give evidence at the trial behind a screen. She got so upset when he started talking they had to have a break and she went out of court to compose herself. There was some evidence they’d met outside of work and had sent texts with heart emojis. But sounds like a bit of flirting and ego being stroked on his part and infatuation on hers.

Main prison screen? what do you imagine prisons look like?

CandyflossKaren there are central hubs where prisoners gather for out of cell interaction time and there are usually several large tv screens there.

This is awful but true, I've read of many such cases. The noblest professions can attract both the most virtuous and the most nefarious individuals alike.

Ohhhhh really?? Never seen that in the prisons I worked in ..

Where have you seen them then?

@RedSkiesandAllies I feel the same as you.

A horrific thing for any parent to go through. Those poor poor babies.

I couldn't read much of the story as it was so horrific so apologies if this is wrong of me, but I do also feel sorry for Lucy's parents.

I remember seeing a youtube from a sociologist who said in any room people studying for a qualification that allows them access to vulnerable people, some even just one or two will have their own reasons for being there.

That's why we have safeguarding etc. It's not ideal that teachers for example can't hug children (ok am generalising) but it's because some people will take advantage of that so there has to be a rule which protects the vulnerable. It's not that the others are abusers, it's just a check/barrier to those who might exploit.

Definitely had this on Orange is the New Black! 😁

Like many of us, I've sat and tried to 'invent' a 'motive' for such evil but the only thing I could possibly come up with, was some kind of jealousy? Particularly as she apparently did these heinous acts on specific notable dates, such as the original due date of babies who were born premature.... That seems like it's done for a reason; The only one I can come up with, being to inflict the worst pain possible on the parents on a date they'd spent 8+ months looking forward to?

Either way, pure evil. The more years that pass, the more I despise the world I've brought my child into

Oh Karen please. You yourself said earlier in the thread as a “compromise” prisoners could appear via video link from prison for sentencing. As you wouldn’t want to risk injury to yourself. But then dismiss anyone suggesting the same!

Everyone is entitled to voice their opinions without venomous responses..I wouldn't have liked to have been on the jury to call this. A desperately sad case whatever the truth is.

I followed this case for months, at times had to step away cause it was too horrific to read about.

I cannot imagine what her poor victims and their parents and wider families have been going through and this trauma will never ever leave them.

Evil, twisted bitch, I hope she rots in hell.

Well it's good job you weren't on the Jury then isn't it?! They, indeed DID see compelling evidence.

Yeah, because she said in cell...or on some imaginary prison 'screen

Oh please yourself!

But it's fine, someone has clarified that this has come from a tv show 'orange is the new black'!

Absolutely this. The relevant NHS executives at Countess of Chester should go on trial too. Otherwise they'll never ever learn.

Sincere condolences to the parents and families of the victims and lots of strength to those who were told their babies may have come to harm by the Police, apparently Cheshire Police is now investigating 4,000 more cases from Letby's entire career and they've already identified likely further victims.

My head cannot comprehend this.

I did wonder this. I'm going to watch the Panorama programme at 8pm to see if there's any more about this.

It’s really harrowing. I’m a healthcare professional and it just goes so against everything we are trained and work for. I also find it upsetting that this was her exact defence. I hope for her sake that it’s true as otherwise it’s the worst nightmare of any healthcare worker to be blamed for something. I can only hope the jury with far more information than us made the right decision. Those poor families I can’t imagine the pain.

To have children sick or worse is awful and I feel for the parents.
Having said that, the data appears to be 'cherry-picked', I've just taken a look at the reporting that's supposed to have started the ball rolling here: https://www.npeu.ox.ac.uk/mbrrace-uk/reports/perinatal-mortality-surveillance there seem to be other hospitals that I would be more wary of and pools of deprivation that led to tragic outcomes.