Lucy Letby guilty

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Lucy Letby has been convicted of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six more.

My thoughts are with the families of the victims.

I know it's not really the place- but this thread is making me wonder, where does being 'wired differently' become a mental illness (detained in a hospital like Rampton) and where does it become intentionally criminal (prison)?

The word 'evil' gets mentioned a lot, but because i'm not religious it's not a word that springs to mind personally.

What's the difference between being mentally ill 'bad'? Is it when you know right from wrong and do it anyway? Because certainly in the case of Letby (and B Allet) she'd have known she was doing wrong. Why then qualify for being detained in a hospital?

I'm not sure if it's influenced by the apparent collaboration of institutions to pervert the course of justice in the Andrew Malkinson case, majority verdicts or the time taken over the jury's deliberations, but there seem to be elements reminiscent of Sally Clark.

Hopefully

I don't know enough about mediation sessions to know of that is true or not in hospitals, but the thought of an adult taking her father to such a meeting seems extremely strange and inappropriate.

It is. It shouldn't have happened.

Not to dismiss your experience but the jurors have looked at a lot of evidence in this case.

I imagine that a lot of them ordinarily would struggle to see her as capable of the crime but would have done their duty and considered the evidence.

I do get that too FrogTaped, idk maybe I watch/listen to too much True Crime but I'm just hyper aware that appearances are just that & that lots of psychopaths etc (not diagnosing her here) get away with things for longer in plain sight .

I quite agree. I would have gladly offered myself up for the job of dragging her there.

The posters still not convinced about this verdict should seriously take a look at themselves.

Sorry if it’s already been mentioned but the series on Netflix ‘the nurse’ was harrowing and she killed her victims simply because she enjoyed the attention, either from saving them or trying to save them.
Obviously there is some MH involved too.

I wonder if this is similar where she wanted the attention of trying to save them or if she just enjoyed the harming and killing of them and having that sort of power.

I was really surprised at this.
I assumed they didn’t have a choice.

This. I’ve always thought this since I first saw the photo and heard the then accusations!

I cannot comprehend how anyone can do something so heinous to this innocent little babies. Although after reading the evidence being given there was no doubt!

Sheesh didn't know she kept souvenirs. That's disturbing.

They are crazy!!

That wasn’t what was expected of him

It is to anyone who's been paying attention to the countless butt-covering cases which crop up
It's true that his duty was to prioritise patients, but clearly - and so very predictably for those who've experienced this - the interests of the actual institution came first

FWIW it's also true that the initial murders weren't management's fault, but in light of the comments from Letby's fellow HCPs the fact she wasn't stopped probably is

I don’t disagree with that at all - obviously the court and the jury are privy to all the facts, but I’m very uneasy given our experiences and the fact that a lot of evidence was circumstantial.

This

My SIL is a nurse and had to have a disciplinary in her training year (was in a very badly run department with a shocking management team and it was all smoke to cover their mistakes) and she could only take her union rep or another colleague. There was no discussion of family members- it is bizarre to take a parent into your professional role.

I do think her mum’s actions during her arrest suggest that they had some clue that she’s done something or was capable of doing something and she was trying to save her daughter.

What do you mean?
That she's not guilty?
If so why not?

But why does it really matter how she looked??

Do people with sweet smiles not commit crimes?

*Notbeinfunnehbut
This case feels very weird to me

I’ve not really seen any complelling evidence

really hope the court had some

tragic all round*

Ffs. Do you also believe the earth is flat and Covid was a conspiracy?

Of course they had evidence, it's one of the longest and most detailed trials ever - months and months of it.

Just because you haven't read all about it in Take a Break doesn't mean there wasn't proof.

Ah yes, the mother who howled when she was sentenced.

Prisoners who refuse to leave their cells to attend their sentencing hearings could be given longer jail terms as a result, under a proposal being considered by the Government.
Also totally agree for those who refuse to leave cells then their faces should be live streamed into court and the court sentencing live streamed back to them too.

Too many people are buying defence spin that is was a witch hunt. The testimonies today show that far from being persecuted, Lucy was protected for a year by hospital
management. Perhaps the evidence wouldn’t be so circumstantial if the trust directors and managers had taken the least notice of the consultants. It wasn’t as if this was one guy with a vendetta against ‘poor little Lucy’. 7 highly experienced neonatal consultants had serious concerns that were ignored. Other members of staff had fears and we told to ignore them.

She used her privileges to shield herself from criticism and try to get away with murder. If it weren’t for the consultants who insisted on investigating then she would have gotten away with it.

They will get away with it, maybe retired off with golden goodbyes, and "lessons will be learned" all the usual codswallop.

They are still cover up cunts.

People are judged by appearance all the time and I don’t doubt for a second that it was harder to convince people of her guilt because she was a presentable, reasonably attractive young woman. What she did was so ugly and monstrous and she looks like that nice girl from over the road.