Lucy Letby guilty

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Lucy Letby has been convicted of the murder of seven babies and the attempted murder of six more.

My thoughts are with the families of the victims.

My dc was at a NICU and the majority of the staff were fantastic but there were a few that I had my doubts about. Unfortunately, like any work place you had some incompetent and lazy staff that you had to leave your baby with.

However, I wouldn't have thought any were capable of murder. Just a few who didn't feed the babies on time or change their nappies if their parents weren't around. One refused to reinsert my baby's feeding tube after he pulled it out accidentally. I had to complain to the nurse in charge and another nurse did it in 5 mins.

I really do think medical staff need to be psychologically tested regularly before and after qualification. There's too many dangerous people who are attracted to the profession because of the access to vulnerable people.

I feel the same. My gut reaction is to think surely someone could never be capable of doing these things to such small, vulnerable babies. As I sit here cuddling my own baby, my brain does not want to believe someone could be so evil. I am heart broken for the families of those babies. People say I hope this gives them some closure, but honestly how could any parent ever move on from this?

It isn't about distrusting people who look a certain way, it's the human hope that you'd somehow be able to tell she was evil, that she'd have a tell. Because CV the reality is so scary. There but for the grace of geography go I.

I had premature twins on NICU and I just don't understand what possesses (other than evilness) someone to murder defenceless tiny babies - for seemingly no reason? And to deliberately attempt multiple attempts with the same children?

And it's why so many of the wrongful arrests/convictions are "weirdos" either by looks or behaviour. Like the guy wrongfully convicted of the Jill Dando murder.

Seems like the too many "law enforcers" rely too much on image and first impressions.

Research into nurses who murder their patients: https://www.adelaide.edu.au/news/news25542.html (with link to the thesis)

The only mental health issues that can be relevant to a murder are when you lose touch with reality through psychosis.

As a life long sufferer with mental health issues, including several months staying in psychiatric hospital, I don't see how depression, anxiety or anything like it that can be a reason to murder anyone, let alone children.

@Lifecanbebeautiful12 did you follow the podcast? They detailed absolutely all the evidence. It was all completely circumstantial.

don’t get me wrong I think she did probably do it but as I said- listen properly to the actual court stuff and not the media and mumsnet stuff. It was sketchy at best

I understand that, its just not often that people are actually serial killers so its never going to sit comfortably.

I think the possibility that there were deaths LB had nothing to do with that were omitted from the list - it would not be the first time prosecutors have cherry picked deaths to attack evidence against a nurse. Clearly some of the deaths on that list were not suspicious (as she's been found not guilty of them) but they still made the list when others didn't, swelling the numbers of fatalities against her name. However I think it's highly unlikely this happened as cherry picking probably would be picked up on by the defense. That and the overwhelming evidence against her.

Stack not attack

This explanation for an inexplainable crime is very helpful and lucid.

@ForTheLoveOfSleep
exactly this

I feel the same. I just hope there isn't a revelation of a miscarriage of justice later where they discover there were fundamental failings in the depts.

I think I just find it incomprehensible that someone could do that to such vulnerable babies.

I hope all the people named in this article have the arses sued off them.

BBC Article

Why does any murderer murder? Serial killers murder multiple times? Unless you are a murderer or psychopath yourself that’s the point: we just can’t truly understand.

But power is usually up there. Excitement with being the one to inflict suffering, pain and taking the life of another being. Narcissistic personality. In this case- the alleged affair with the doctor and obsession with him and orchestrating situations to bring them together. To maintain a bond. Hero complex. Bizarre obsession with youth/ being young/ childhood as is clear in her bedroom and belongings.

At the risk of stating the obvious there does seem to be something a bit off about her. I read that she may have been motivated to do it to gain attention from a male doctor that she liked which I guess puts her in munchausen by proxy territory. Just horrific to think that she was able to do what she did.

Lol too much internet for you two.

Of course she has mental health problems. Any serial killer will have

This is not the case at all.

They may have a personality disorder but that isn't a 'mental health problem'.

You can be treated and make a recovery from mental health problems. You can't recover from a personality disorder.

(I will mention at this point that I don't consider borderline personality disorder in the same category as I think that's often CPTSD from trauma misdiagnosed)

She entered this world Lucy Letby and she will exit this world Loo seat Letdown, The Coward.

‘Listen to all the court stuff and not the media and mumsnet’ - says the one basing her opinion on a podcast. Maybe if you read the ‘actual court stuff’ and didn’t base your opinion on the media (a podcast is the media, btw), you’d understand.

7 guilty of murder.
7 of attempted murder.
2 not guilty of attempted murder.
6 not able to reach a verdict on attempted murders.

I’d be very interested to see a graphic with all the babies that died over that time period. Lucy worked with the illest children in the highest dependency unit. It would be understandable that she was there for more deaths but obviously the ones taken to court were only ones where she was present or had just left.

I think part of the reason MN is so shocked by this is that Letby was a professional. I'm completely serious. I've read threads here where people have been stopped by police for speeding and have "explained" that they are professionals, as though that the police will just shrug and let them off.

There is an ugly classism in our society. People are posting that they're shocked Letby did this despite her "normal upbringing". No one here knows what went on behind the scenes while she was growing up, so "normal upbringing" is clearly code for "middle-class background".

I followed the Joanna Yates case on a Facebook group, and one woman kept posting that she hoped Tabak would be found guilty of manslaughter, not murder, and get a light sentence. Her reasoning for this was that he had a PhD. She was SHOCKED - SHOCKED, I tell you! - when it emerged that he had strangulation porn on his hard drive.

The podcast wasn’t the usual entertainment stuff it was a very factual account of only the evidence brought to court.