The immigrant barge - what’s actually wrong with using it?

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Educate me!

I looked at pics from the inside, it all looks very much like standard student accommodation to me, including common rooms/relaxation areas/health support on board. Residents can go on & off the boat, it’s passed fire etc safety and been used to house people in lots of other situations. I don’t understand why people think it’s not ok. Can anyone explain please?

@Alexandra2001 5m is an awful lot of extra people and i have to admit, i ve no idea why the Govt has done this,

Because they are British Nationals suffering under the Chinese Regime in HK.

In the same way as we helped the Ugandan Asians who had British Passports.

Would the Isle of Wight agree to do it?

It’s not just money it’s where would say ok. Nauru gets an income out of it.

Who gives a fuck what the Isle of Wight think ? Remember, the Ascension islanders didn't like the idea - and were told in no uncertain terms they could get fucked.

Not if it was your friend but this would be acceptable if it was someone you knew nothing about and you had people in your home whose safety you wanted to ensure whilst also helping that person.

You do know that the Second World War was nearly 100 years ago right? Today's Germany is not the Third Reich, despite what the likes of The Sun would have you believe.
I'd rather be allied with the Europeans than the ever more authoritarian USA where you can get locked up in some places for having a miscarriage or shot for asking directions.

So is it going ahead for Ascension Island?

The Isle of Wight is a pretty nice tourist destination which makes it less likely.

No one pays 5k to end up in Nauru, that’s why it’s used and zero refugees are on there.

Of course not. Anymore that you'll be seeing border agency staff on jetskis, or serving naval personnel actively sinking boats.

Like I said upthread, all of these brainwaves are merely the shiny to keep the terminally thick happy. And I am beginning to suspect they are timed to match the make refractory period. Although my biology is a bit rusty. Maybe someone could check my working...

I don’t know are Australians terminally thick?

They seem quite happy with zero boats arriving, so much so neither party will overturn the policy, even with a few who talk about it as you do they know it wouldn’t get the votes.

The Australians didn't seem very bothered by the drowning of over 350 people on the SIEV X, about 140 of them being children. It all sounds so familiar doesn't it, a government desperate to win an election demonising asylum seekers and taking more more steps to ensure they are stopped regardless of safety or humanity.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/10/siev-o19.html

I don’t know are Australians terminally thick?

Of course not. However anyone who points to a solution for a continent as being a perfect fit for an island within garlic smelling distance of it's neighbour probably is.

What’s the mileage difference for closest point to Aus v U.K. to France?

How many crossings did they have and how many now?

siblingrevelryagain
I wonder what you would think if I said I had allowed my friend to sleep in my shed, even gave her blankets and food...

The cabins on the Bibby Stockholm have modern heaters, an en-suite shower room and Wi-Fi. How many of the asylum seekers had that level of comfort and convenience back in their home countries?

Would any of that matter? They let 353 die, they repeatedly lied about it .

Also I wouldn’t call people thick as it’s all a bit holding self in very high esteem (and I’m not sure why people feel so convinced on that one when they do it) but some of the lines I hear people rely on don’t stand up to scrutiny

‘Safe routes’ - ok what about boats that arrive outside those routes? Is international law still the same?

Prosecute smugglers - ok detail how in another country you’ll do this when the problem is like a tap that’s never ending

Return people to France - why would they take people who don’t qualify here?

I mean insults and carrying on is all great but there are not many answers that stand up

As I said there was an Aus politician on this morning who has had the success who said there’s no reason using another location wouldn’t work for U.K. as it does for Aus. People will not pay £5k if they know they’ll not end up in U.K.. Numbers drop like a stone. They likely know more than mners who haven’t implemented the same

And what accommodation would they have if they stay in the UK

woodhill
And what accommodation would they have if they stay in the UK

Whatever the local council can offer them I assume?

(If they don't have family in the UK/access to savings).

@CloudyMcCloud Have I understood your view correctly from your various posts that you do not think the UK should accept any asylum seekers?

No you haven’t.

My take is safe routes will not stop boats arriving outside it and international law will still stand. If you arrive here by boat you’ll need to be processed by law. No one has addressed this so far.

Providing protection at another location is shown to take boats to zero, Aus does this successfully

If people want to put in place asylum routes it is still possible - eg did Aus take Ukrainians? Then that is still possible but without boats and drownings

Any other way won’t end the crossings

@CloudyMcCloud safe routes won't stop crossing we should be more like Australia who provided safe routes and crossing stops.

Iwasafool
The Australians didn't seem very bothered by the drowning of over 350 people on the SIEV X, about 140 of them being children. It all sounds so familiar doesn't it

2020/2021
Revealed: 2,000 refugee deaths linked to illegal EU pushbacks.
A Guardian analysis finds EU countries used brutal tactics to stop nearly 40,000 asylum seekers crossing borders.

Italy, Malta, Greece, Croatia and Spain have accelerated their hardline migration agenda...
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/may/05/revealed-2000-refugee-deaths-linked-to-eu-pushbacks

EU and UNHCR raise alarm over pushback methods in Poland, Latvia and Lithuania
https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/37885/eu-and-unhcr-raise-alarm-over-pushback-methods-in-poland-latvia-and-lithuania

2022
How Spain looked on as dozens were crushed to death at its border^
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/z8i55dsu8w/spain-morocco-border

June 2023
Greece boat disaster: BBC investigation casts doubt on coastguard's claims
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65942426

What else do they do to stop the crossings?

Nauru

Another location for protection

You’re fine with that then?

If people want to emulate Aus great. You’ll get zero crossings too.

In the interests of keeping the thread factual in 2022 Australia took more Ukranian refugees than the population of the UKs smallest city, nearly 3 times more in fact.
That is to say 4500 refugees.

It’s interesting how the pp only said half the method used by Aus

That’s the whole point they get zero crossings due to Nauru not safe routes, they can be added after though if people want them

In the interests of keeping the thread factual in 2022 Australia took more Ukranian refugees than the population of the UKs smallest city, nearly 3 times more in fact.
That is to say 4500 refugees.