The immigrant barge - what’s actually wrong with using it?

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Educate me!

I looked at pics from the inside, it all looks very much like standard student accommodation to me, including common rooms/relaxation areas/health support on board. Residents can go on & off the boat, it’s passed fire etc safety and been used to house people in lots of other situations. I don’t understand why people think it’s not ok. Can anyone explain please?

There are a range of views some are extreme I agree, although we tend to put more into saving people than for example across the Med.

Do you think we can take everyone who would like to come here and has a reason or is there a point at which you think it could be too high?

I bet they knew. The smoke from the chimneys? And the smell must have been awful. Plausible deniability.

Of course we can't take everyone. No one is suggesting that. Claims should be assessed and dealt with in a reasonable amount of time. The system used to work, now it doesn't. Like so much else in this country.
The barge is just performative shit-stirring, and it works. The BBC were live-streaming arrivals this week FFS.
Hundreds of thousands of people are arriving from Hong Kong and Ukraine and Farage isn't getting into a froth about that. Is it because they're not brown.

Of course they knew. It’s ridiculous to say anything else. It’s why it’s a matter of national shame 80 years later.

Of course we can't take everyone. No one is suggesting that.

Ok so what is the process for those who get a no and then arrive by boat? Does international law still apply and their claim is processed or do you change it?

we have invited in up to 5m Chinese to the UK

British Nationals. They have to hold British Nationals (Overseas) status.

You are mistaken. The ordinary person-in-the-street was unaware.

Most concentration camps were deliberately situated outside of Germany.

By the end of World War II in 1945, the death camp system stretched from France and the Netherlands in the west to Estonia, Lithuania and Poland in the east.

In a war situation, in an era without access to mobile phones/internet people just went missing and often couldn't be located.

A great-uncle of mine went missing and was presumed dead, only to be found years later in a Japanese POW camp.

You are looking at a 20thC issue through 21st century eyes.

Say they did get to stay then the accommodation could be multi occupancy in less than adequate circumstances or a bed in a shed which have sprung up everywhere. This is why so much of this has been built and then it leads to slums which is what was eradicated in the 20th. Century

In which case @EllenVannen is the shame deeply embedded in the national psyche? Entire communities “went missing”. If half your town disappeared at any point in history you’d know it was sinister.

Antisemitism was alive and well in Germany before the Nazi regime was created.

If Jewish communities disappeared then no-one complained.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/sep/09/german-antisemitism-holocaust-second-world-war

Thank you for proving my point with the Guardian article.

I don't see how.

Antisemitism was present all over Europe - not just in Germany.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/jewish-life-in-europe-before-the-holocaust

Jews were herded into blocks of accommodation Beaten up and even killed in the street( forced to wear Star of David ) -initially lined up along the sides of pits and shot by German soldiers.As the soldiers were finding this too traumatising they came up with gas chamber plan. All those soldiers, all those camp staff,all those train drivers -I’m pretty sure the public knew what was going on.

Yes and we extended that to children and changed the law on UK citizenship.

I 100% back helping people suffering from genuine persecution inc the student protestors (most of whom have left HK or been prosecuted) but not anyone with BNO, we simply do not have the infrastructure etc.

5m is an awful lot of extra people and i have to admit, i ve no idea why the Govt has done this, yet are dancing on a pin head over sending people to Rwanda or locking them up on a boat, neither of which is going to deter anyone.

Rubbish.
Your own link states "Several jews led away to safety by the Police" tiny numbers of racists does not make the Germany state (in 1921) anti-Semitic.

The Nazi state did things by stealth and once they had power, they could crush descension, often with death.

Who on here would have stood up and tried to stop a Jewish family being deported or Romany family or a disabled person or a socialist?

The vast vast majority would all stay silent because to protest would mean you and your loved ones would all die.

How else do you think Xi or Putin stay in power.

There was a useful call on LBC this morning at about 10.15 from an Aus politician who had been successful with stopping boats explaining why there are 0 people on Nauru. Maybe just 2 atm not sure

People won’t pay 3k to 5k or whatever it is to go to another location. Nauru doesn’t need to have loads of accommodation as it works

No idea if the court case will overturn last judgement but the if it does he said that if there are no loopholes it will work quickly

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66484699

It was bound to happen

I am sure you would agree that Rwanda and Bibby Stockholm are very expensive sound bites?

Rwanda is stuck in the courts but there’s no reason that another location would work for Aus and not here.

Labour seem to be keeping the barge anyway. It’ll be interesting to see if they do overturn another location if it happens, Aus Labor know it’s madness to do that. They’d go back to thousands of boat arrivals.

Can someone say what would happen with boat arrivals even if safe routes were added on top? People will need to be processed as international law still applies, or would you change it?

@EllenVannen Could you confirm for me that I have interpreted your various posts correctly that you would support a policy of the UK accepting no asylum seekers?

Rwanda is stuck in the courts but there’s no reason that another location would work for Aus and not here.

The Ascension islands have cropped up again, I see.

The most secure and economic option would be the Isle of Wight - by a country mile. But as we all know, none of this has anything to do with money, except where it's possible to funnel taxpayer money to Tory cronies.

If Germans are such awful people, as you and others have claimed, then why did so many people vote to stay in a failed European Superstate (EU) which was practically run by them?

Given that Germany is more successful country than the UK at present, would it not be a good thing to be run by Germans?

Nobody said they were awful people. What we are taking issue with is the assertion that they didn’t know what the Nazis were doing in their name. Especially after you posted links that illustrated quite clearly that they did.