The immigrant barge - what’s actually wrong with using it?

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Educate me!

I looked at pics from the inside, it all looks very much like standard student accommodation to me, including common rooms/relaxation areas/health support on board. Residents can go on & off the boat, it’s passed fire etc safety and been used to house people in lots of other situations. I don’t understand why people think it’s not ok. Can anyone explain please?

There were protests over a new tent city in NY this week.

Temporary and unwanted accommodation is going to become more an issue in many countries

I think you’ll find it more interesting as the issue ramps up in the EU as people increasingly die crossing the Med and see recent NY protests

Get your popcorn if it’s your major interest it’s going to ramp up

This argument using scaremongering numbers is just the same as Farage's poster during the Brexit referendum @CloudyMcCloud

The government promised an effective immigration system. What we have currently is a big mess, a huge waste of money and no control.

Your posts all the way through this thread just ask nonsense questions of others. What do you think should happen?

The Tories have been saying they have no other options for the last five years - but they have broken the whole system on purpose and then told those with limited understanding 'its the only way'. If you believe that, you've been suckered.

Nonsense questions

Why is asking how many will apply nonsense?

Can you explain why it doesn’t matter

And can you say what climate change will do to numbers, not just here but across the Med

Also do answer the international law question for boats outside safe routes @calmcoco

If your default is an insult as a reply your argument is weak and non existent

But maybe you do have an answer?

People can’t answer so every so often someone gets angry as pp did. Whatever, it’s a bit weak

Fine it’s not easy for people to think through beyond ‘safe routes’ but don’t take it out at questions (funny really what gets people going) it’s not going to make the fundamental issues go away

At the risk of repeating myself, the number of refugees seeking asylum in the UK is not a signficant factor in the quality of life for those who live in the UK. The systemic inequality as evidenced by the more than 1,000,000 empty homes and a millionaire Prime Minister who pays a lower proportion of his income in tax than teachers and nurses is what is driving poor quality of life for many.

The government talking about desperate people seeking asylum is entirely designed to distract from the real reasons the UK is in a mess.

I just want a proper system @CloudyMcCloud - overseas aid to make it easier to stay in home country, internal refugee support, neighbouring country support, safe application process, strong investment in border force, criminal prosecution of law breaking, rapid turnaround of application, better cooperation with other receiving countries.

Hell - maybe the UK could even be a global leader in an international approach! Currently we're an embarrassment.

If the country sets an annual number that's part of an approach.

The barge is a performance, not a policy. Leaving people to drown in the channel is a performance not a policy.

Do you think the U.K. is the only country that will face increased pressure to deal with deaths of those crossing the water?

The Med arrivals, but also non water see NY this week tent city

This is going to increase

The only country that has found a successful solution is Aus, actually maybe others but that’s the one that people usually know about

Another way may sound better but it won’t resolve the issues, the faster the system the more people who will apply

You only ask questions @CloudyMcCloud and offer no answers yourself.

This is the Tory government's last refuge - they've broken the system, then wheel out ministers like Jenrick to throw up their hands and say 'what can anyone do?'

It works on a few people but we can see from polling that pretty much noone thinks what is happening is actually working.

My answer is look at the successful country who has reached zero boats. I haven’t not mentioned it.

I shall assume since you did not engage with the substance of my post that you agree with it.

Another way may sound better but it won’t resolve the issues, the faster the system the more people who will apply That was Tory HQ's line this week in Jenrick's interview but it is just an attempt to provide retrospective justification for the rapid rise in people waiting.
It's just a cover for having lost control of the system.

The government have lost the plot and are flailing wildly.

Well if that’s how SM works for you then that’s handy

But no.

so we should maybe stop driving cars, throwing away plastic, switching on the central heating/ air conditioning etc, and indulging in other selfish behaviours that damage the environment and drive conflicts in so many places, so that people don't need to become refugees?

Does anyone know what's happening with Johnson's WhatsApp messages?
Who is Charlotte Owen and why does she deserve a life peerage?
But no, look over there instead.

It’s a big ask, but no reason not to ask it or do it

I thought the WhatsApp post following was on the wrong thread but then maybe it is equitable to climate and refugees increasing for them. Seems strangely unbalanced but there you go

Seems strangely unbalanced is very rude to that poster.

Giving equal weight to incoming climate plus refugees to WhatsApp messages seems off balance

Not that they personally are unbalanced, I have no idea

I have no idea

As i said earlier, the UK hasn't the Cook Islands etc off shore & tbh subjecting people to high levels of stress, sexual and violent abuse is not something i'd like to be associated with.

There are other ways to deal with x ch boats, so how do the gangs get these boats? what are we doing to crack down on gangs that operate in the UK ?re join the EU ? increase FA so people have less reason to flee their countries.

But of course the boats are a very useful distraction for a Govt that has totally failed, there is not a single area of this country that has improved since 2010...

Which is remarkable because i don't think i could say that about any previous administration.

You find dementia funny ???

You’re too harsh on yourself especially to put it in bold too.

But maybe that’s your factual intervention?

So all you have said there is you want off shore processing
Under the government's current plans that will only happen after asylum seekers enter the UK so it's not going to "stop the boats". People will still be using boats to get here.

In my opinion what its likely to do is stop asylum seekers claiming and instead mean they go underground- driving up organised crime.