The immigrant barge - what’s actually wrong with using it?

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Educate me!

I looked at pics from the inside, it all looks very much like standard student accommodation to me, including common rooms/relaxation areas/health support on board. Residents can go on & off the boat, it’s passed fire etc safety and been used to house people in lots of other situations. I don’t understand why people think it’s not ok. Can anyone explain please?

So far people have got annoyed at questions

It seems people don’t like to be reminded there are fundamental issues with their solutions

There’s a thread in AIBU which looks at safe routes, so I’m glad it’s being talked about somewhere at least

Noone has insulted you. You are being a bit oversensitive.

No it does work as people won’t pay £5k to end up somewhere else

Listen to Aus politician on why it works on LBC about 10.15on Saturday

He was characteristically blunt as Aus politicians can be, and put up compelling reasons why it works, as long as there are no loopholes

the UK hasn't the Cook Islands etc off shore

The British Isles are surrounded by ... islands. As previously suggested there's the Isle of Wight for a stat. Or Isle of Man. Or Scilly Isles. Or Jersey. Or Guernsey. And that's before you start looking around the rest of the dial.

It's not facts that are the problem. It's political will and integrity.

Where did I say they had?

I said some have got annoyed, calling questions ‘nonsense’ because they’re a tough answer is more their issue not mine but it won’t resolve fundamental problems

Australia did several different interventions, offshore processing was only one. I put a link upthread about it. The conclusion was turn back/take back was more effective than offshore processing.

We aren't proposing to do that. And as a pp said, our country is very different to Aus in that there are towns within walking distance of all our coast.

Fact check says it’s hard to say which

But I’ll listen more to an Aus politician who has had success. Have a listen. If you think he’s wrong then make a case for knowing more than he does as you wish but at least get different sources

From people who that have done it and say why it could work here

Why do you keep mentioning the 700,000 empty houses and yet avoid answering any further questions people ask about them?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-66466270

Who says crime doesn't pay, eh ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12412393/Council-buys-homes-Afghan-Ukrainian-refugees-newbuild-estate.html

According to that they were originally earmarked for social housing

@JenniferBooth £1.8 million for 12 houses and paid for with MY council tax.

So unfair on the people who are already here who need social housing

The daily mail are just shit stirrers. at 'posh' descriptor.

This desperate blaming of refugees for every problem in Britain is so transparent.

The housing situation in this country is of course utterly shit. Loads of people living in disgusting accomodation. This is because a) council housing has been sold off b) too few homes of all types have been built.

There are five families in Langtoft on the housing register, all in the lower needs band of four or five and all with no emergency housing need.

The government has granted refugee status to some people. This is a government issue, not a Kesteven/Langtoft issue.

I don't think it is 'unfair'.

It is just total shit all round.

The desire of the cunts at the Daily Mail to pit one bunch of unfortunate people against another group of unfortunate people is grim.

How is it fair though on the people already waiting

This is partly why young people are finding it hard to start a family

This has been happening for years at the expense of the local population

I don't think the refugees are being blamed, it's the governments fault

It is not about 'fair' or 'unfair'. This is a national policy issue, we're not sharing out sweeties in the playground.

This is not why young people are finding it hard to buy a house. The huge house price inflation, low building, overall lack of social housing are the real issues.

The government has neglected EVERYONE and are now encouraging people like you to blame refugees.

You've possibly fallen for the divisive distraction technique as you've used the key phrase 'local population'.

but the number of refugees is miniscule compared to the number of people born in the UK every year, or dying, or leaving, or arriving on work visas. Refugees have negligible impact on the size of the population, and even less on the amount of housing available

At the risk of repeating myself, the government estimates there are 700,000 empty homes in the UK, it is suggeste that their methodology undercounts and so the true figure is over a million.

It is not asylum seekers that are causing a lack of housing.

While we are myth busting. Perhaps it is worth pointing out that the UK has over 10,000 fewer hospital beds than 13 years ago.

I am sorry but it is unfair on families who are in need of social housing or are crammed in a one bedroom flat. And how about how homeless people? I volunteered at a homeless shelter and I am disgusted with the lack of support our government provide for them. If they are.lixkt they may get a bed on the shelter

There were 600,000 immigrants here last year. Many of them students.

I am disgusted with the lack of support our government provide for them.

Quite. Except "The government" isn't some force of nature we simply have to endure. They can be replaced, you know ?

If you volunteered at a homeless shelter you would know that homelessness in the UK is far more complex than a empty bed/hostel space.