The immigrant barge - what’s actually wrong with using it?

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Educate me!

I looked at pics from the inside, it all looks very much like standard student accommodation to me, including common rooms/relaxation areas/health support on board. Residents can go on & off the boat, it’s passed fire etc safety and been used to house people in lots of other situations. I don’t understand why people think it’s not ok. Can anyone explain please?

That's my point, if they aren't listened to and feel that the newcomers are 'wrong' it could go belly up. Brexit showed what happens when people don't feel engaged. Our 'esteemed' 😉 leaders never learn.

Yes that's what I'm saying too

They could probably be put in but politicians would have to say how they will cap numbers and how they will decide who gets in if hundreds of thousands apply.

It still doesn’t resolve smugglers and boats because international law still applies to people turning up by other means

A lot of the rhetoric is empty words until the practically of ‘safe routes’ is addressed and the law as it stands is changed

@EllenVannen if the Home Office ever manage to deport an asylum seeker to Rwanda will they go through France?

Iwasafool
The barge has rooms for 2, 4 and a few for 6

More details here in fact;
Most of the 222 bedrooms have twin bunk beds, with cupboard space, a desk, en-suite bathroom, heating and windows which open. There are also 20 larger rooms which would sleep four people and two rooms for six people.

I see that St Andrews University had an outbreak of legionella in 2020;

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/education/higher-education/1729909/legionella-outbreak-at-prestigious-st-andrews-university-halls-of-residence/

Not sure why you needed to post the room details, all you've done is confirm what I said.

I'm not getting involved in 'whataboutary'.

Iwasafool
Not sure why you needed to post the room details

Because I previously asked you this question; I haven't seen any photographs of the bedrooms with four beds on the Bibby Stockholm - how many are there? - and now I have the answer.

JenniferBooth
We were told we were monsters if we didn't wear masks Granny killers if we dared to visit a relative. People who committed Covid breaches are STILL going through the courts.

Your link says the asylum seeker has latent TB and also this;

Latent TB isn’t transmissible when it is being treated

This. Our government are shameful.

You are classified as being a refugee according to this:

This persecution must be because of:

• your race
• your religion
• your nationality
• your political opinion
• anything else that puts you at risk because of the social, cultural, religious or political situation in your country, for example, your gender, gender identity or sexual orientation

You must have failed to get protection from authorities in your own country.

Realistically wouldn’t come under those headings from a troubled country?

....... so anyone saying they are gay from a muslim country?

Yup, that's about it.

Some of the solutions to the issues are just sound bites. Stuff around safe routes that doesn’t talk about numbers, or prosecuting smugglers without recognising how incredibly difficult it would be in other countries, or asking France / EU to take people back. Why would they do that?

All pie in the sky. Russia and maybe China are happy to invest time and money to push movement of people to EU to destabilise further. For some reason people on mn are detached from that part and imagine neat numbers of asylum seekers fulfilling capped routes.

But France have offered to help set up a processing centre on their land.

Not quite.

UK are talking about helping fund a detention centre in France. This is to help stop migrants crossing the channel,

"Britain will help fund a detention centre in northern France as part of a £500m package to stop refugees trying to cross the Channel"

Detention centres in UK are basically secure units where people will be held prior to removal. They are for failed asylum seekers, not to 'process' people.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/10/uk-fund-immigration-detention-centre-france-rishi-sunak

Some of the solutions to the issues are just sound bites.

You mean talk of Border Agency officials on jetskis was really just a distraction for the chronically dim ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12396581/Border-Force-jet-skis-Channel-migrant-boats-France.html

Although it is nice to see how stupid some ministers think some people on this thread are. If you are cheerleading Suella "look what the bad men made me do" Braverman, then this is aimed at you.

I suspect all the people who can't see a problem with the barge would feel differently if it was on thier doorstep. Wish I could push the horrible thing up the Thames and moor it near the houses of Parliament instead.

It is obviously inhumane and I think partly designed to be a deterrent.

Legionella found in the water supply on barge - see today's news.

There was an awful, awful woman on Nicky Campbell's (fairly horrible) phone in yesterday saying that they should stop people getting off the boats when landing. Push them back out to sea and if they die too bad. A lot of callers found this abhorrent, but a depressing number agreed with her.
I used to wonder how the German people accepted concentration camps. I don't any more.

It's no good expecting the french to do anything that could assist us, they can't even rescue people who have fallen into the water 5 miles from their coast, we have to sent lifeboats from Dover to save them. It's a farce that we are even giving them a penny to stop the boats.

I heard one delightful gentleman yesterday said the 'Navy needs to shoot them out of the water, that's how you stop invasion'
People with views like this have votes, have social media and can whip up others. Scary stuff.

I agree

I used to wonder how the German people accepted concentration camps. I don't any more.

Because they didn't know. They were told they were temporary facilities to help with a refugee crisis* and that anyone who opposed them was a lefty lawyer communist. Although in those days "Bolshevik" was more frightening. Reading threads like this I imagine it was the spelling.

Incidentally, I am mildly puzzled that in the furore over painting over the scenes in the immigration, no one seemed to remember that the termini (not the best word really) to the death camps in Germany were often gaily painted and bright and cheerful to put the victims at ease. So there is an historical parallel of some sorts. Not quite sure what it tells us. But then that is so often the way with history. You don't realise the message until it's too late.

*Not quite, but close enough.

So what's your solution?

Yes of course China is doing this, we have invited in up to 5m Chinese to the UK, allow China to operate its own state Police here in the UK and want they to fund critical infrastructure.

Russia will create more chaos in the Sahel = more refugees, we destroyed Libya, so thats now a failed state, where trafficking gangs operate with impunity.

We need to re engage with the EU or we will never limit migrants crossing and even that is no certainty but there is little else on the table.