The immigrant barge - what’s actually wrong with using it?

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Educate me!

I looked at pics from the inside, it all looks very much like standard student accommodation to me, including common rooms/relaxation areas/health support on board. Residents can go on & off the boat, it’s passed fire etc safety and been used to house people in lots of other situations. I don’t understand why people think it’s not ok. Can anyone explain please?

I wasn't pointing to the fact of an immigrant having TB (sadly), but to the fact of there being 0 infectious disease screening before placing people in cramped enclosed conditions where disease could easily spread!

No because in the EU, we had equivalent training standards, recognised across the EU

My ‚equivalent training‘ comment was about asylum seekers in the UK, not the EU citizens.
I agree that it’s easier to recruit workers from countries with equivalent training standards.
I was just wondering if recruiting large numbers of for example Polish or Spanish HCPs might create shortages in their countries.

BUT for those that wanted too, why not open up caring roles, agri work, give training in English etc?

That I don’t disagree with.

Apparently legionella has been found on board so everyone is now being moved back off board!

Yup

If it wasn't for the fact this is our money they are flushing down the pan this would be funny!

Absolutely incompetent! 😡😡

Another glorious triumph for the Home Office!!

Well if the OP meant standard student accommodation in the US it would have helped if she'd said that.

The barge has rooms for 2, 4 and a few for 6. I'm sure you can produce information about Oxford students being 8 to a room but I still don't think it is standard. I take standard to mean the majority of rooms would be like that and even in universities you've quoted (I've looked some up) the twin rooms are a minority of rooms and I think it is a minority of universities that have shared rooms.

Ha yes . An bhfuil Manx an-mhaith agat?

Not fit for human habitation.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bibby-stockholm-migrants-evacuated-disease-bacteria-075xkhph3#:~:text=Asylum%20seekers%20staying%20on%20the,measure%2C%20the%20Home%20Office%20Said.

Morality aside - the amount of money, time, conversation wasted on what was effectively a publicity stunt is a disgrace: performative cruelty to appease people for whom no immigration policy will ever be strict or inhumane enough.

They need to end this divisive rhetoric re establish safe, legal routes focus on processing quickly & efficiently. It’s the only actual solution.

https://inews.co.uk/news/home-office-asylum-seeker-tb-bibby-stockholm-health-fears-2537035

We were told we were monsters if we didnt wear masks Granny killers if we dared to visit a relative. People who commited Covid breaches are STILL going through the courts. Fucking hypocrites.

I've name changed for this thread as I live very local. Searched mumsnet to see if anyone was talking about it after the news about the water today.

I feel it has created an "us and them" type mentality, with it looking like a giant floating prison. Some of the locals have gone absolutely mad, threatening taxi ranks if they give anyone a lift off the barge, setting up facebook groups etc.. (I'm absolutely not a part of any of this, just watching it all unfold.)

The family who own the dock where the barge is moored donated lots of money to Nigel Farages UKIP and are earning money from the barge being there. Sigh.

They need to end this divisive rhetoric re establish safe, legal routes focus on processing quickly & efficiently. It’s the only actual solution.

It could be easy. How many would apply though?

They need to end this divisive rhetoric re establish safe, legal routes focus on processing quickly & efficiently. It’s the only actual solution

But no one answered how this process could actually be speeded up. How can you actually check a nameless, faceless somebody from a country that it’s the middle of war/ insurrection/political chaos quickly.

And pretty much anybody could say they were at risk from most of the countries people are escaping from. Which is inherently problematic unless you have an open door policy.

Well they govt spokesman, can't remember who maybe Robert Jenrick, said they have increased staffing and it is speeding it up. They are recruiting more staff and it will speed up even more. So presumably they have decided they know how to do it.

Unfortunately as the number od assessors goes up, productivity seems to go down.

https://www.civilserviceworld.com/professions/article/home-office-on-course-to-double-asylum-caseworkers-by-end-of-august

If they aren't careful, the ineptitude will bite them well and truly. If they don't get a grip on it and come up with actual workable, timely processes that the general public get behind, it could get uncomfortable.

MN is a bit of an echo chamber. Out in real life, it's far more varied. This week, I've heard lots of anti immigration and barge views. These are tradesmen through to professional people, spouting some quite nasty views. 'It's an invasion', 'women and children flee war, young men run to war', 'just wait, they will turn on us, they are gathering' and so on. Those being the more palatable.
Looking online, comments are not pleasant, and theres a hell of a lot of them. If I was a newcomer and saw/ read/ heard this, I wouldn't feel very welcome.

@CloudyMcCloud They need to end this divisive rhetoric re establish safe, legal routes focus on processing quickly & efficiently. It’s the only actual solution.

It could be easy. How many would apply though?

" Safe and Legal Routes" is a plausible soundbite that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
Interestingly, no-one who promotes this approach suggests the number of people who could be 'processed' this way.
So, if you think it is "easy" would you like to suggest some numbers and at what level should applications be capped?
And what countries should these routes come from?

Processing is a different issue. You can process as fast as you like but when landings for deportation flights have been blocked, then we have no way of removing failed asylum seekers.

@EllenVannen I’m wondering the same things as you I think. It’s a soundbite but where are the practical parts eg how many people will apply and how would it be capped?

What about international law and people who arrive on boats outside the cap?

People can sell it to me but they always stop from talking about next bit of information and how it would actually work

If say 80k try to cross with a difficult system how many with an easy one?

I haven't an answer your questions and was rather hoping you would give me some answers as you said you thought it could be 'easy'!

It can be made easier for the individual but that doesn’t mean I think it will work

I just used the wording to encourage a response as no one comes back to answer it

Maybe wrong way to put it

Are their views not valid though

France has been clear that it will not support any scheme by UK that will encourages more migrants to enter it's territory.

So any 'Safe and Legal Routes' would have to bypass France.

Are their views not valid though

Just because a majority want something, doesn't necessarily make it right. I am quite sure you could find a majority for scrapping income tax (for example).

A majority of Southern US citizens wanted to keep slavery. Why was their democratic decision ignored by the federal government ?

It just causes resentment though and I don't think the situation we are in is right either