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Thread 28 Sunak : Lords, Ladies and Lame Ducks

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DuncinToffee · 20/07/2023 13:59

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mibbelucieachwell · 22/07/2023 11:04

People are repulsed by the conservatives but need reassurance to vote Labour. What a state of affairs.

Labour needs to find a way to adopt more green policies with the reassurance that they will save everyone money in the medium term? Experts are now saying the benefits will be sooner rather than later. I wonder if the benefits will be seen before the next but one election.

StormShadow · 22/07/2023 11:06

Maybe they know they're fucked for the middle ground and they're trying to get the harder right vote out.

cakeorwine · 22/07/2023 11:16

The more they go in 1 direction, then there is hopefully a chance that more people will be turned off by that and go in another direction.

But who knows

mibbelucieachwell · 22/07/2023 11:22

Now being discussed on R4

Cornettoninja · 22/07/2023 11:22

It’s a risky strategy. I think a lot of people who lean right either don’t acknowledge their prejudices themselves or they don’t want them out on show. Look how much people have taken to the line ‘wanting to stop the boats is because we care about people drowning’. It might have started as a softer platitude to the left but it’s turned into using compassion as a weapon.

LlynTegid · 22/07/2023 11:39

Labour could undertake to end the rip-offs and poor customer service that Covid has been used as a cover/excuse for. Simple laws to amend consumer protection could achieve a lot.

Blossomtoes · 22/07/2023 12:16

After Thursday I think tactical voting will be key to the next election. Anyone who really wants to see this lot sent packing will vote for whichever party stands the best chance of defeating them in that particular constituency. I’m really hoping the West Country turns yellow again.

DuncinToffee · 22/07/2023 12:35

cakeorwine · 22/07/2023 10:22

Daily Mail is suggesting:

Cutting inheritance tax
Make most of Brexit
Target culture wars

It's going to be a divisive year.

Just look at the wootton thread and the attack on Bylines.

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Saucery · 22/07/2023 13:03

Notonthestairs · 22/07/2023 10:38

Times leader is 'Sunak aims to divide and rule' by focusing on trans rights, crime and migrants.

None of which will fix strikes/housing/education/the NHS/the economy.

Well, I’ve never bought into his bullshit about migrants, they’ve had 13 years to sort out policing and crime and I simply no longer believe there’s any substance behind their claims to “know what a woman” that will make a return to biological reality possible or likely while protecting both the rights of women and protect transpeople.

I’m not the only occasional Conservative voter who feels like this, I’m sure so yeah, let’s test basing the Tory GE campaign on that load of reactionary twaddle and see what happens.

Notonthestairs · 22/07/2023 13:18

I'd give this man a knighthood.
Professor Brian Cox on the Times headline.

"I don’t like this sort of politics. Societies are made up of individuals with different backgrounds, opinions, economic interests and moral and philosophical positions. The primary job of politicians in my view is to at least try to navigate these differences (guided of course by their own hopefully well-thought out political philosophy) with the aim of building a stable consensus - a necessary foundation for a well-functioning and prosperous society. That’s very hard of course, but it should be the desired destination. Nobody gets everything they want in a democracy, because a free society is a collection of individuals who hold different views, but also nobody should feel absolutely defeated. This is not compromise in a wish-washy sense of the word - it’s the very essence of and indeed the guarantor of our freedom as individuals. As Feynman memorably said, democracy is based, like science, on a satisfactory philosophy of ignorance; running societies is very hard, and nobody really knows how to do it, so we regularly change direction whilst building on the achievements of the past. Understanding this requires humility, and the instinct to unify rather than to divide. Seeking division therefore runs counter to everyone’s interests because it undermines a key idea underpinning democracy itself - the idea that individuals have legitimately differing views. To Mr Sunak - topically - I would say read some post-war Oppenheimer. He was aiming to persuade national leaders not to do what this article says you want to do, because in the context of countries with atom bombs, that would be literally playing with fire."

twitter.com/profbriancox/status/1682708828880531458?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

Instead we have a hollowed out party clinging to power and serving donors and media owners.

Notonthestairs · 22/07/2023 13:22

Just realised he does have a CBE!

Piggywaspushed · 23/07/2023 10:18

Interesting thread here about universities

https://twitter.com/LukeTryl/status/1680860391994191873

Must say , I'm not as surprised as the poster. he needs to venture to MN HE to witness the 'established liberals' opining that 'other people's children' shouldn't dream of attending their universities.

https://twitter.com/LukeTryl/status/1680860391994191873

cakeorwine · 24/07/2023 07:48

May 2024 as a possible election date - a so called economic sweetspot

Rishi Sunak urged to go for spring election by senior Conservatives | Conservatives | The Guardian

“There’s an economic sweep spot,” said one insider. They suggested there would probably be a period next spring where inflation comes under control but before a potential recession and the full effect of further interest rate rises has been felt.

The possible giveaways – reported to include abolishing inheritance tax – would be a pre-electoral springboard and challenge for Starmer to match, given his repeated warning that Labour’s ambitions will have to be limited to the finances they inherit.
Further advantages to an early election are reducing the potential punishment levied on the Conservative government for rising mortgage payments. Those who have been shielded from the effects of interest rates due to being on relatively low fixed-rate mortgages are gradually seeing their deals expire.
“Every person who ends up paying an extra £500 a month because they’ve come off their mortgage deal between the spring and the autumn will end up blaming us,” said one MP. “The quicker we get out the way with a damage limitation early election, the quicker we can be back in power after a spell as the opposition.”

Rishi Sunak urged to go for spring election by senior Conservatives

May 2024 said to be ‘gaining traction’ as an ‘economic sweet spot’ that may help party minimise losses

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jul/24/rishi-sunak-urged-to-go-for-spring-election-by-senior-conservatives

Zonder · 24/07/2023 07:53

May 2024 sounds good but a lot can happen between now and then. I don't put it past the Tories to somehow pull something out of the bag. That would totally ruin our country.

Zonder · 24/07/2023 07:53

What's happened to the pro Tory voices on here, by the way? Not that I mind their absence!

RafaistheKingofClay · 24/07/2023 08:03

Bless them for thinking there’s a sweet spot where they stand a chance of winning. And that inheritance tax is going to be the thing that pulls it back.

Roussette · 24/07/2023 08:04

Zonder · 24/07/2023 07:53

What's happened to the pro Tory voices on here, by the way? Not that I mind their absence!

They're a bit busy defending Dan Wootton!

Kiwano · 24/07/2023 08:04

They seem more interested in defending the likes of Wootton and Farage these days.

Zonder · 24/07/2023 08:21

Good luck to them on that one!

Piggywaspushed · 24/07/2023 08:26

Somewhat cheered by the Spanish election result which is getting v little coverage.

DuncinToffee · 24/07/2023 08:31

Ha snap Piggy I was just about to post the same, hung parliament rather than the predicted victory for the right-wing Popular Party,

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Piggywaspushed · 24/07/2023 08:38

Only The Guardian and Twitter seem to be interested .

pointythings · 24/07/2023 08:40

Just seen the Spanish election news, that's heartening. In other news, meet the newest Pointy cat - he joined us yesterday and is going through the introduction process. His name is Lasagna and he is the cuddliest cat I have ever met.

Thread 28 Sunak : Lords, Ladies and Lame Ducks
Piggywaspushed · 24/07/2023 08:40

This is interesting (and saddening) too

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jul/24/neal-lawson-on-the-threat-of-expulsion-by-labour-they-are-making-sure-no-one-on-the-left-has-a-platform

DH keeps saying Labour need to win first and then thyme can do what they think is right, but I'm not convinced there will be any left left soon. If you get my drift. Disenfranchised left wingers are less of a porblem politically that the disenfranchised right, possibly?

The Jamie thingy situation really is very silly. And threatening to kick out Ken Loach.

Neal Lawson on the threat of expulsion by Labour: ‘They are making sure no one on the left has a platform’

The founder of Compass has been a Labour member for over 40 years. But last month he was invited to defend himself over a two-year-old tweet - and he now awaits the party’s judgment

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jul/24/neal-lawson-on-the-threat-of-expulsion-by-labour-they-are-making-sure-no-one-on-the-left-has-a-platform

DuncinToffee · 24/07/2023 08:41

Talking about twitter, has anyone on here started using Threads? Any good?

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