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SugarRaye · 19/07/2023 12:50

vera99 · 19/07/2023 12:27

He's a reformed character now working for the common good and that's great. Poacher tuned gatekeeper as it were so he has first-hand knowledge of how grubby the Uk tabloid world actually is.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28459720

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Dan Evans is just as grubby as everyone else. Grubbier. Because he was happy to avoid punishment by making sure others were punished. There's nothing reformed about that. He's never going to be a trustworthy character because he's such an expert liar and deceitful person. Don't give him a pass because he's going after someone you don't happen to like.

MavisMcMinty · 19/07/2023 13:17

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Even if nothing comes of the BT story, maybe Wootton will take time to reflect on how his past shenanigans made his victims feel. “They don’t like it up ‘em!”

It is all rather beautiful for those of us who’ve abhorred Wootton for years.

DuncinToffee · 19/07/2023 13:19

Andrea Jenkyn tweeted that he has her backing

Roussette · 19/07/2023 13:21

DuncinToffee · 19/07/2023 13:19

Andrea Jenkyn tweeted that he has her backing

Andrea 'middle finger' Jenkyns?

Bet she has!

MavisMcMinty · 19/07/2023 13:22

DuncinToffee · 19/07/2023 13:19

Andrea Jenkyn tweeted that he has her backing

Ha ha! Of course she did. Forever immortalised in that yellow dress giving the finger to the crowd. A kindred spirit to Wootton.

vera99 · 19/07/2023 13:29

SugarRaye · 19/07/2023 12:50

Dan Evans is just as grubby as everyone else. Grubbier. Because he was happy to avoid punishment by making sure others were punished. There's nothing reformed about that. He's never going to be a trustworthy character because he's such an expert liar and deceitful person. Don't give him a pass because he's going after someone you don't happen to like.

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Neither of us know him (I think!) so it's supposition on both our parts. That said I know whose side I would rather be on in this debate, and it's not Mr Wootton's. Anything that brings down his professional demise is good in my books. Let’s see what Part 2 brings this afternoon.

SugarRaye · 19/07/2023 13:52

vera99 · 19/07/2023 13:29

Neither of us know him (I think!) so it's supposition on both our parts. That said I know whose side I would rather be on in this debate, and it's not Mr Wootton's. Anything that brings down his professional demise is good in my books. Let’s see what Part 2 brings this afternoon.

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Except that we know that Dan Evans was definitely guilty of a criminal offence and heinous behaviour. With Dan Wootton, we're still waiting for evidence.

I'm looking forward to later on. Part 1 didn't really have anything new in it. So I'm expecting part 2 to have something really explosive. Can't wait to see DW taken down a peg or two.

CarlosAlcaraz · 19/07/2023 14:23

Just a thought, if Byline have handed over evidence to the police would they not be compromising any investigation if they release more of the story today?

Iwantcakeeveryday · 19/07/2023 14:34

SugarRaye · 19/07/2023 13:52

Except that we know that Dan Evans was definitely guilty of a criminal offence and heinous behaviour. With Dan Wootton, we're still waiting for evidence.

I'm looking forward to later on. Part 1 didn't really have anything new in it. So I'm expecting part 2 to have something really explosive. Can't wait to see DW taken down a peg or two.

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Yes Dan Evans was guilty of criminal behaviour but he was the only one from NoTW to admit it and help the police and prosecution, he was 'unique' in that in the words of the judge. He didn't;t decline to give evidence when he was told he would not be offered immunity. He now exposes the corrupt practices in his industry, which I think is something to applaud him for.

Roussette · 19/07/2023 14:41

Part 1 didn't really have anything new in it.

Did you know all that? I certainly didn't.

Roussette · 19/07/2023 14:48

Iwantcakeeveryday · 19/07/2023 14:34

Yes Dan Evans was guilty of criminal behaviour but he was the only one from NoTW to admit it and help the police and prosecution, he was 'unique' in that in the words of the judge. He didn't;t decline to give evidence when he was told he would not be offered immunity. He now exposes the corrupt practices in his industry, which I think is something to applaud him for.

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I just feel Dan Evans undertook shady practices and had second thoughts about that part of his life. Isn't he some sort of whistleblower? He has testified in the MNG court case (Harry, Baronness Lawrence, Elton John etc) against the Mirror Group.

He said he was 'the victim of corporate grooming in the dark arts of journalism' back then.
Yes, he behaved despicably. Is he trying to make amends? I hope so.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 19/07/2023 14:51

Well if a judge believed so, prosecution, police and people who were victims of hacking, so I think I can also give him some credit for it. I consider him to be someone trying to make amends @Roussette especially as he wasn;t offered immunity for it

Roussette · 19/07/2023 15:05

Very powerful from Lily Allen....

following on from my tweet yesterday, i see that some think i was blaming Dan Wooton for my dependencies. I don’t expect people to understand the pain associated with being harassed in the very public way that i was for a good 15 years. but just because you can’t understand it, it doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen, it did. Peaches Geldof, Amy Winehouse and Caroline Flack were all bullied and abused, subjected to the same kind of harassment that i and many others were, and at the same time. it was the culture back then, we were fair game, because we were female, young, articulate, well paid, brilliant at our jobs, vulnerable and relatable, we all wore our hearts on our sleeves and spoke our truths. And for that we needed to be destroyed. I can’t speak for the women above and neither can they, for obvious reasons, but i know how trapped i felt, how lonely and isolated i was, how scared i was, how unfair and desperate it all felt and how substances and alcohol felt like the only way to escape.
Dan Wootton last night claimed he is a victim of a smear campaign by nefarious players with an axe to grind, that his accuser is running a campaign to destroy his life.
The irony is not lost on me, maybe now Dan can begin to understand what it felt like
I actually wish him well, i hope that he comes out the other side of whatever it is that he is facing, and that eventually it leads him to a place of happiness, peace and truth

Rhondaa · 19/07/2023 15:12

Lily Allen needs to perhaps just focus on her problems and stop trying to blame others. To bring in those who have tragically died due to addictions and mh problems is absolutely disgusting. How low folk go to excuse and enable their behaviour.

Rhondaa · 19/07/2023 15:15

I thought after all the many Mr Edward's threats we weren't allowed to speculate on allegations unless someone is actually charged with an offence?

Do the goal posts change depending on which channel they present on and if they agree with brexit or not 🤔

Rhondaa · 19/07/2023 15:16

Threads*

MavisMcMinty · 19/07/2023 15:17

Good for Lily, she’s only putting into words from a personal perspective what many of us have been saying on this thread - karma’s a bitch. I feel schadenfreude, it ain’t big of me but it’s delicious nonetheless, and entirely calorie-free.

Roussette · 19/07/2023 15:23

MavisMcMinty · 19/07/2023 15:17

Good for Lily, she’s only putting into words from a personal perspective what many of us have been saying on this thread - karma’s a bitch. I feel schadenfreude, it ain’t big of me but it’s delicious nonetheless, and entirely calorie-free.

Yes. I think she's very gracious given what that odious man put her through.

LizzieSiddal · 19/07/2023 15:28

Yes, Lily shows compassion and maturity. Things sadly lacking in DW.

Iwantcakeeveryday · 19/07/2023 15:54

I thought that was excellent from Lily too.

TeaMistress · 19/07/2023 15:59

Whilst I abhor vile bullying behaviour from anyone I don't think anyone should be condemning him until we have seen concrete evidence of the crimes which he has been accused of. Social media gossip and people falling all over themselves to pile on to him don't constitute hard evidence no matter how we feel about his behaviour in the past.

Rhondaa · 19/07/2023 16:12

'it was the culture back then, we were fair game, because we were female, young, articulate, well paid, brilliant at our jobs, vulnerable and relatable, we all wore our hearts on our sleeves and spoke our truths. And for that we needed to be destroyed. I can’t speak for the women above and neither can they, for obvious reasons'

Just appalling. No, correct they can't speak for themselves due to the fact they sadly died as they were addicts or had mh problems.

People in the public eye face intense scrutiny so if they are addicts or caught face down in a field folk will report on it.

I've no idea what DW has or hasn't done but as I said following HuwGate it is only a problem when someone is convicted of something apparently. So the lefties have decreed.

Seems weird folk are encouraging a social media pile on.. because they complain that DW encourages sm pile ons 🙄

Imnotswallowingthat · 19/07/2023 16:16

I’m not defending Wootton, because he is an odious character, but often things aren’t as they first seem (see Huw Edwards). For example, the person making the most serious accusation against him is someone who was jailed for 4 years for blackmailing gay men. Let’s see what new evidence there is before rushing to judgment, because some of the allegations against him have already supposedly been investigated by police who found no evidence of wrongdoing.

Is Wootton a slimy odious creep ? Definitely. But that doesn’t automatically make him guilty of what is being alleged.

Roussette · 19/07/2023 16:22

Not sure what to say to that. Shock
I'm not the slightest bit surprised though, if I read your posts without knowing who it was, you would've been top of my list!

Did you ever read some of the stuff he wrote about Lily Allen or others? Caroline Flack? The Valentine card he designed for her, mocking her after her death? Imagine her family having to see that. It was so bad that even the Sun got a conscience on that one. He has been relentless, he harrasses and bullies women daily, 'scuse me if I don't have much sympathy.

We're weird and lefties now are we? For finding it ironic that a man who has ranted and raved and spewed bile about others, is now facing some of this himself, for his alleged behaviour.
Okay!!

Cornettoninja · 19/07/2023 16:32

Do the goal posts change depending on which channel they present on and if they agree with brexit or not

No, they change depending on what individuals have dished out themselves.

impeccable behaviour? No. Understandable? Yes.