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stbrandonsboat · 18/07/2023 11:40

Unsurprising. According to most people, the unborn aren't actually human. Quite why the journey of a few inches down the birth canal and a lungful of air makes such a difference to the make up of a being is beyond me, but there you go.

Sapphire387 · 18/07/2023 11:58

I think this is the right, compassionate decision.

Lottapianos · 18/07/2023 11:59

'I think this is the right, compassionate decision'

I agree

Papernotplastic · 18/07/2023 12:00

Absolutely the right decision.

fortheloveofflowers · 18/07/2023 12:02

I think she was right up he convicted but it needed it needed to have some compassion.
Sounds like she wanted rid of this baby because she had a new (old ex) partner and he wasn’t the babies dad. Always more to a story that originally perceived.

Badger1970 · 18/07/2023 12:11

I'm shocked to be honest and think it could set a dangerous precedent.

She could have taken those tablets before 12 weeks but chose not to.

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Papernotplastic · 18/07/2023 12:12

’I'm shocked to be honest and think it could set a dangerous precedent.’

How?

Oceansinourway · 18/07/2023 12:13

"It is a case that calls for compassion, not punishment," Dame Victoria said.

I agree with the view expressed by Dame Victoria.

CoffeeMama1 · 18/07/2023 12:19

While I'm glad she's out this story has really conflicted me. I've always been 100% pro choice but I can't help but feel like someone lying on purpose to terminate beyond the time limit is wrong unless it's absolutely life saving and medically needed.

I appreciate she was in a very difficult position moving in with her ex and we don't know if he was abusive or coercive at all, but I just can't fathom how you could take those pills after feeling the kicks and knowing that baby was alive. Also raises huge questions in relation to her healthcare providers, did she have a midwife? Had she seen anyone about the pregnancy at all? They found she had searched abortions prior to the cut off time so what happened? I appreciate it's incredibly sensitive but I do think there's so much more we don't know, and the context does matter here.

Imisscoffee2021 · 18/07/2023 12:19

I'm pro choice totally, and there are some circumstances where a pregnancy has to be ended even when the baby is perfectly viable for the health of the mother or the baby having an issue that is unserviceable outside the womb.

However in this case, the reasoning behind the late term abortion was to hide the fact the baby was conceived by someone other than her partner or that it would mess up her life, when she knew she was pregnant from a much much earlier stage and could have ended the pregnancy well before viability. I think it was correct to be punishable by law. Having cut offs is necessary as where would it end otherwise, is a child not a valid human and member of society until they can differentiate themselves from their mother, or when certain parts of their brain are fully formed etc? A termination at the stage she did it would be acceptable if her life was in danger or the baby would suffer on delivery and expire due to a health issue. This just isn't the case with this situation. So many choices were made to get to that late stage and each time she chose to continue the pregnancy. Why not birth the child and give the child up for adoption instead?

PretendUsername · 18/07/2023 12:19

Good grief there's some hot takes in this thread, the most appalling of which is describing a 8 month old foetus as a parasite. I think some people just enjoy provoking outrage so much they fail to see how much they jump the shark. It just gets a bit silly doesn't it. 🙄

HappyJunkie · 18/07/2023 12:20

disgusting

Papernotplastic · 18/07/2023 12:20

This isn’t about the conviction it’s about the sentence.

KleineDracheKokosnuss · 18/07/2023 12:21

She knowingly killed a perfectly viable baby, causing it to suffocate in utero. She lied to others to be able to do it. She belongs in jail.

Alongwagtogohome · 18/07/2023 12:21

It is a very sad story but ultimately that baby would have survived. Her Google searches were telling. Carla could have safely accessed an abortion if she'd have decided earlier. I do wonder if it was her partners baby and not some other man, if she'd have kept it. I hope she gets the mental health support she needs as what she did is abhorrent. She killed a baby. I am prochoice for abortion but not at the point where a baby can easily survive. 24 weeks is long enough to make up your mind

Kingsparkle · 18/07/2023 12:23

This is the right decision although I am still surprised the CPS brought this case in the first place. I think regardless of the circumstances being mooted here, this is not a decision someone in the right frame of mind makes. The woman needed compassion and support. I also hate that the anti-abortion brigade are using this to try and restrict access to abortion pills taken at home.

AllOfThemWitches · 18/07/2023 12:23

Good, her children need her.

Lifesapurpledream · 18/07/2023 12:24

Poor baby. When the story first broke and they hadn’t mentioned the timescales I was expecting them to say she’d taken pills at 13/14 weeks having just missed the cut off. Was absolutely shocked when they then said 33 weeks. I guess we don’t know what sort of mental state she was in but it’s just so sad all round.

Kinneddar · 18/07/2023 12:25

KleineDracheKokosnuss · 18/07/2023 12:21

She knowingly killed a perfectly viable baby, causing it to suffocate in utero. She lied to others to be able to do it. She belongs in jail.

Completely agree with you.

purpleros · 18/07/2023 12:27

wrong decision. I'm very pro choice. But this was an almost full term baby. There are some people who are so very vehemently pro choice on mn they'd sanction the destruction of a newly delivered baby if it's what the Mum/parents request.

HappyJunkie · 18/07/2023 12:27

AllOfThemWitches · 18/07/2023 12:23

Good, her children need her.

She should have thought about that when she decided to break the law

iamenougheveryday · 18/07/2023 12:28

KleineDracheKokosnuss · 18/07/2023 12:21

She knowingly killed a perfectly viable baby, causing it to suffocate in utero. She lied to others to be able to do it. She belongs in jail.

I agree.

AllOfThemWitches · 18/07/2023 12:29

HappyJunkie · 18/07/2023 12:27

She should have thought about that when she decided to break the law

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She needs support, not a long prison sentence

drpet49 · 18/07/2023 12:32

KleineDracheKokosnuss · 18/07/2023 12:21

She knowingly killed a perfectly viable baby, causing it to suffocate in utero. She lied to others to be able to do it. She belongs in jail.

This. She did it because she didn’t know who the father was.