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Rishi triumphs over the teaching unions!

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noblegiraffe · 13/07/2023 13:43

He has managed to beat the teaching unions into submission and to call off strikes by:

Offering them a pay deal worth more than double the original government recommendation

Giving schools extra funding to pay for it.

Well done Rishi, you really showed them!

https://twitter.com/rishisunak/status/1679462222655881218?s=46&t=vKGM6xpoeW3wdlaVVVagQA

https://twitter.com/rishisunak/status/1679462222655881218?s=46&t=vKGM6xpoeW3wdlaVVVagQA

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swallowedAfly · 14/07/2023 04:51

I'm NASUWT and would be happy to strike in Autumn and hold out for something to compensate for last years crap deal (think I got 3% as an experienced teacher) and some reassurance that there would be a decent rise next year too to try and actually make a real dent in the real terms pay cuts since 2010. Plus reassurances all pay rises in future would be centrally funded not come from existing budgets that barely keep the heating on.

If we did that though we'd be accused of moving the goalposts and just not wanting to work so for those who came onto here to hate there'd be no way in which we could avoid the hate. Damned whatever we do.

Giraffesanddance · 14/07/2023 05:32

@noblegiraffe - on funding, I agree it will be interesting to hear from headteachers. There will be a detrimental impact even for those schools that can ‘afford’ this. I’m particularly concerned for special schools - as far as I can see they weren’t included in the affordability calculations? I do also think it’s slightly disingenuous of government ( and unions?) to refer to it as fully funded which isn’t the same as affordable.

Im not someone who doesn’t understand that teachers can only strike for their pay ( which I support) but I am concerned for the impact on special and small schools and definitely not convinced the ‘hardship fund’ is large enough. Hope I’m wrong though! Also wondering where the DfE cuts elsewhere will have to come from ( certainly in future years). It’s a small department so I’m guessing the areas other than those frontline funding that the government states is protected will potentially have significant cuts.

swallowedAfly · 14/07/2023 05:53

Realistically if after this year the DfE doesn't have enough money it's budget will have to be raised. Education has been chronically underfunded - it couldn't continue forever.

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Piggywaspushed · 14/07/2023 08:11

This is Kevin Courtney of the NEU's explainer

https://twitter.com/cyclingkev/status/1679742490801233920

https://twitter.com/cyclingkev/status/1679742490801233920

drpet49 · 14/07/2023 08:16

MMorales · 13/07/2023 13:49

Listened to him speaking

So sanctimonious

I wont increase your taxes or borrowing, but the money will have to be found from somewhere.

Sure it would be easy to find if they stop pissing it down the drain in contracts to their mates.

This.

Blossomtoes · 14/07/2023 08:18

The thing that baffles me is this government’s apparent complete inability to comprehend that every public sector worker votes, as do their friends and families. You’d think with an election on the horizon they’d be a little more careful about alienating a substantial chunk of the electorate.

itsgettingweird · 14/07/2023 16:21

Chunt · 13/07/2023 17:13

So the teachers are going to be happy. But who else is going to be shafted in order to provide this money?

There is no money thanks not least to sodding lockdown.

Well teachers worked the whole way through the pandemic.

I don't think it's fair for them to not receive a payrise because others were furloughed. I agree though the pandemic and furlough did affect budgets. As did the £11bn we lost because Sunak forgot to protect interest on borrowing.

itsgettingweird · 14/07/2023 16:24

noblegiraffe · 13/07/2023 17:51

Some people seem to be pissed off that teachers are probably going to accept the offered pay rise and end the strikes.

Like they want us to continue striking until all the problems in education are solved.

But teachers aren't allowed to strike about the vast majority of problems in education.

Striking about pay allowed a conversation about the huge numbers of problems in education. The media have actually started to pay attention to e.g. the falling down school buildings and lack of teachers and teaching assistants.

So if you are pissed off at those problems in education that you only found out about because of the teacher strikes - take that information and do something with it,

Teachers can't strike about it. We are holding the whole thing together on a shoe string so don't bitch at us about the problems either. We know.

Totally this.

SOS much so it needs repeating.

I'm not a teacher.

Just someone who bothered to find out the truth from actual teachers and not whichever media outlet is shouting loudest to get their bias heard.

lifeissweet · 14/07/2023 17:24

The NEU are now suggesting that we reject the offer because it is not fully funded.

I thought they spoke a bit too soon about accepting it before they understood the detail.

Hereinthismoment · 14/07/2023 17:25

Aww shit!

lifeissweet · 14/07/2023 17:25

Should have clarified. That is my local NEU branch suggesting this. I think Mary and Kevin are still behind it.

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noblegiraffe · 14/07/2023 20:31

Yes I've seen this.

They're on a hiding to nothing, I think.

If the NEU reject it, they'd be calling out people to strike and lose money with what the leaders accept is zero chance of a better deal. And I think the other unions will accept it, so no chance of joint action.

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kirinm · 14/07/2023 20:56

lifeissweet · 14/07/2023 17:25

Should have clarified. That is my local NEU branch suggesting this. I think Mary and Kevin are still behind it.

Is that Bristol?

lifeissweet · 14/07/2023 21:23

Birmingham

clopper · 14/07/2023 21:28

Get rid of ofsted and sats that will help with the budget and teacher workload. A win win solution I believe!

kirinm · 14/07/2023 22:12

lifeissweet · 14/07/2023 21:23

Birmingham

Bristol NEU have said they'll reject too.

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noblegiraffe · 14/07/2023 22:31

It's individual members who vote, members in Bristol can vote however they like.

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Happyfluffball · 31/07/2023 07:22

Rishi can't win can he. He tries to pay the teachers more money. He does a good thing, people still hate him

3BSHKATS · 31/07/2023 08:29

Happyfluffball · 31/07/2023 07:22

Rishi can't win can he. He tries to pay the teachers more money. He does a good thing, people still hate him

Yes

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noblegiraffe · 31/07/2023 09:41

What are you on about? Rishi tried very hard not to give teachers this pay rise. He was forced to capitulate.

People hate him because he's an out of touch Tory, twattering on about fiscal discipline and holding your nerve to people desperately struggling with their finances due to his party's shit policies while personally flying around in helicopters and building himself massive swimming pools.

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