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Rishi triumphs over the teaching unions!

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noblegiraffe · 13/07/2023 13:43

He has managed to beat the teaching unions into submission and to call off strikes by:

Offering them a pay deal worth more than double the original government recommendation

Giving schools extra funding to pay for it.

Well done Rishi, you really showed them!

https://twitter.com/rishisunak/status/1679462222655881218?s=46&t=vKGM6xpoeW3wdlaVVVagQA

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noblegiraffe · 13/07/2023 18:29

Piggywaspushed · 13/07/2023 18:25

Me ? Personally? Not happy. I think the unions have rolled over and been sucked into arguments about funding.

I reckon the unions would have accepted the 4.5% if it had been fully funded. Given how difficult it was just to get any teachers out on strike compared to ballots of other professions, I think it shows how non-militant about our own pay we really are.

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Piggywaspushed · 13/07/2023 18:29

How can you possibly know what your kid's teachers think or say outside of the classroom?

GoblinAeroplane · 13/07/2023 18:31

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Piggywaspushed · 13/07/2023 18:31

noblegiraffe · 13/07/2023 18:29

I reckon the unions would have accepted the 4.5% if it had been fully funded. Given how difficult it was just to get any teachers out on strike compared to ballots of other professions, I think it shows how non-militant about our own pay we really are.

Yes, probably.

I wouldn't have voted for it.

Contrary to a lot of public opinion, teachers are quite meek. Some might say cowardly.

swallowedAfly · 13/07/2023 18:32

The win is that it is funded.

Had it been unfunded then budgets would have been decimated and we'd have lost even more support staff.

It was always clear that teachers were striking for the rises to be funded not taken out of school budgets.

It isn't enough, it's still below inflation and doesn't make up for the decade plus of pay cuts but it's something. It being funded allows schools to hang on longer.

Of course we need to keep fighting and raising awareness of issues in schools. What has been proven is that teachers action is able to make a difference and that power won't be forgotten you'd hope ie. trying to take pay rises out of school budgets next year.

I'm not sure I want to accept but it isn't up to me and I would love clarity as to how they think they're going to reduce workload and enforce schools actually doing this as my school just keeps adding more work.

The achieving government funding for hte pay rise is the one way we could strike for schools funding - we can't strike to make government fund schools properly but we can at least ensure that they don't strip schools of even more funding by making them pay for pay rises out of existing budgets.

Hereinthismoment · 13/07/2023 18:32

Translucentwaters · 13/07/2023 18:24

So you didn’t strike for recruitment, retention, extra books, classes etc? Just for you and your bank balance?

I personally didn’t strike because I’m not in the NEU, but I would have gone on strike next academic year had it been called for and yes, it would have been for pay. But I never claimed otherwise.

MrsHamlet · 13/07/2023 18:35

I am a union rep. I was called into a meeting with the head this morning to discuss the September strikes.
He cannot balance our books. A funded pay rise will help with that.
Do I think we should continue to take action? Yes.

noblegiraffe · 13/07/2023 18:36

I mean, clearly it's not good enough and schools and teachers need way more.

At the same time it is also way better than anyone expected from this shit heap of a government.

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noblegiraffe · 13/07/2023 18:48

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Do you mean the swearing? Are you aware that I'm not currently in a classroom?

Are you an adult?

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MistressIggi · 13/07/2023 18:49

It doesn't sound like enough money to me. As a teacher in Scotland I got 7% + 5% with 2% coming next January - this is still nowhere near a restorative pay rise for us but better than the amounts being offered in England.

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 13/07/2023 18:53

I think it's crap too and would be up for more striking in September - if I hadn't already resigned because the lack of funding is totally screwing over children and education as a whole.

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You've run out of arguments then.

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mastertomsmum · 13/07/2023 18:59

noblegiraffe · 13/07/2023 13:43

He has managed to beat the teaching unions into submission and to call off strikes by:

Offering them a pay deal worth more than double the original government recommendation

Giving schools extra funding to pay for it.

Well done Rishi, you really showed them!

https://twitter.com/rishisunak/status/1679462222655881218?s=46&t=vKGM6xpoeW3wdlaVVVagQA

Eeek, why do we rate a rich posh with a wife who is even richer over people who they are expecting to do difficult work for inadequate remuneration?? He stood there and made a threat, disgusting

Translucentwaters · 13/07/2023 19:00

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noblegiraffe · 13/07/2023 19:13

MrsHamlet · 13/07/2023 18:28

Wouldn't it be nice if some posters just admitted that whatever the OP posts, they'd slag her off about it?

It seems some people are really unhappy that I might be getting a pay rise.

Interesting to see who the trolls are.

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Appuskidu · 13/07/2023 19:17

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You do realise that adults are allowed to swear on internet forums when they’re not at work, don’t you? Even teachers.

Nightlystroll · 13/07/2023 19:25

RuleWithAWoodenFoot · 13/07/2023 18:56

Says a report written by people who think they're intelligent. 😂

itsgettingweird · 13/07/2023 19:48

Notonthestairs · 13/07/2023 15:46

Teachers were also sounding the alarm about recruitment and retention. I imagine a pay rise should go towards that - particularly if workload issues are actually addressed.

This.

The pay rise was needed to keep recruitment and retention because pupils weren't being taught by full time teachers specialist in the subject they were teaching.

Pay rises are more than just money in pockets and teachers can only strike for a limited amount of reasons.

I'm glad they've made an offer.

itsgettingweird · 13/07/2023 19:49

mirages08 · 13/07/2023 16:03

Ffs
What a wankmuffin

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Crunchymum · 13/07/2023 19:51

As the great Taylor Swift says"Haters gonna hate".... and it's blindingly obvious that some posters are just here to hate.

NG has been slaughtered on almost every count, I think she's actually been quite restrained under the circumstances.

I actually don't know how much more simplified some posters need their information but teachers can only strike for very limited reasons. Pay being the ultimate reason. However better pay improves all conditions - morale, teacher recruitment and retention, general working conditions etc.

I commend @noblegiraffe for continually trying to explain this whilst not losing her marbles. It's not difficult to understand, if you actually want to understand.

tallcypowder · 13/07/2023 20:48

If I compare the original offer ( which we turned down) to this offer today on my wage. Approximately overall I am £200 down over 2 years.

Yes after 3 years it will be more but just pointing this out.

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