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Police asking for an apology from ds

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Driventodistraction0 · 03/07/2023 14:24

DS (17) got into a scuffle at the weekend with a friend. Each hit each other once, no physical harm done. It was a stupid argument over a girl and we’ve said how disappointed we are and emphasised what harm for both of them it could have led to. He is feeling really bad about it, he has been really struggling with his mental health anyway. He has apologised to the friend and friend has accepted. The police rang last night and said they wanted to speak to DS (they were at the scene when it happened). The police have said that he will not be cautioned but that they want him to sign an apology. They said this apology would be seen on future enhanced CRB checks. He wants to train as a teacher so I’m gutted this is the case. We’re all for the police coming to talk to him but this is the first time he has ever been in any trouble ever. I’ve tried to Google how long this would stay on a crb but can’t find anything.

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WhiteFire · 03/07/2023 14:33

I haven't had chance to read it properly but this might give a bit more info. I would be very cautious about this signed apology and what it actually entails.

https://policecautions.uk/2017/02/14/police-cautions/

Police Cautions - Police Caution Removal Solicitors

The leading lawyers for the deletion of police cautions, arrest and local police records, DBS certifcate and barring appeals, and disciplinary proceedings.

https://policecautions.uk/2017/02/14/police-cautions

HairyKitty · 03/07/2023 14:34

I hope someone who knows comes on the thread for you.
Im wondering what is the worst than could happen (nothing?) if both boys now deny that anything happened? Would the police just drop it? Isn’t this signed letter having an equivalent effect to a formal police caution? I can’t remember what the usual advice for this is

uniform · 03/07/2023 14:36

Definitely get some legal advice before signing anything, especially if it will turn up on an enhanced DBS

Boomboom22 · 03/07/2023 14:36

Do not sign it. Say no.

hauntedvagina · 03/07/2023 14:37

So if they're not going to caution him, what would happen If he didn't sign the apology?

LordEmsworth · 03/07/2023 14:37

They want him to? Well they can want, can't they...

They need to explain the consequences of him agreeing and the consequences of him declining. If they're saying that if he doesn't sign, they'll move to a caution - then he doesn't have to accept a caution.

It might be worth seeing a solicitor before making a decision; but if they've just said "we want" then I'd be suspicious...

Comefromaway · 03/07/2023 14:38

I would advise him not to sign it but it won't necessarily preclude a teaching career. I once employed someone who was a TA and later became a teacher and she had a juvenile conviction for assaulting a police officer (drunken mistake on a night out).

Juanmartinez · 03/07/2023 14:40

As per a pp , I haven't read this properly but maybe seek legal advice https://www.jdspicer.co.uk/site/blog/crime-fraud/what-is-a-community-resolution-order#:~:text=The%20decision%20to%20accept%20or,as%20an%20admission%20of%20guilt.

What is a Community Resolution Order? - JD Spicer Zeb Solicitors

Community resolution orders are an increasingly common method for the police to handle low-level offending. They offer an alternative to traditional criminal...

https://www.jdspicer.co.uk/site/blog/crime-fraud/what-is-a-community-resolution-order#:~:text=The%20decision%20to%20accept%20or,as%20an%20admission%20of%20guilt.

Beamur · 03/07/2023 14:42

Get legal advice. Don't sign anything until you have spoken to a solicitor.

GeriatricMumma · 03/07/2023 14:42

Do not sign it!

LakeTiticaca · 03/07/2023 14:42

Has his friend also been asked to make an apology?
Have the police nothing better to attend to than 2 lads having a minor fall out?

RunningFromInsanity · 03/07/2023 14:47

LakeTiticaca · 03/07/2023 14:42

Has his friend also been asked to make an apology?
Have the police nothing better to attend to than 2 lads having a minor fall out?

A fight between 2 grown men leading to them physically assaulting each other?
That’s exactly the sort of thing the Police should be involved in.

FictionalCharacter · 03/07/2023 14:48

i wouldn’t sign anything whatsoever. If the police change their minds and say they want to caution him I wouldn’t accept that either. They obviously don’t intend to charge him with anything and it was a very minor incident so they shouldn’t be trying to make him sign anything.

Batlug · 03/07/2023 14:48

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KleineDracheKokosnuss · 03/07/2023 14:50

DO NOT SIGN. And don’t accept a caution. Get a solicitor.

speluncean · 03/07/2023 14:50

I would get a solicitor too.

lifeturnsonadime · 03/07/2023 14:50

On an enhanced DBS, required for teaching posts, all conviction and none conviction information will show.

It will prejudice your DS's sons chances in education if he signs it.

I am not clear what they will do if he refuses?

NaughtPoppy · 03/07/2023 14:51

Don’t sign anything and don’t accept a caution!

littleripper · 03/07/2023 14:52

2 teenage boys have a fight, it is all sorted by them and parents - WTF have the Police go involved for? I would not trust this at all and do not sign it. Get legal advice and do not trust them at all.

Eckyftang · 03/07/2023 14:56

If its equivalent to a caution. It becomes "spent" after 10 years and will not show up on enhanced background checks.

penguinsss · 03/07/2023 14:56

It sounds like a community resolution order. I have a community resolution order from my youth and I’m now a primary school teacher. It’s never shown up on any of my enhanced dbs checks.

That said, I wouldn’t sign anything straight away. You should seek legal advice and take it from there.

Reugny · 03/07/2023 15:03

RunningFromInsanity · 03/07/2023 14:47

A fight between 2 grown men leading to them physically assaulting each other?
That’s exactly the sort of thing the Police should be involved in.

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He's 17 so still a minor.

Reugny · 03/07/2023 15:04

penguinsss · 03/07/2023 14:56

It sounds like a community resolution order. I have a community resolution order from my youth and I’m now a primary school teacher. It’s never shown up on any of my enhanced dbs checks.

That said, I wouldn’t sign anything straight away. You should seek legal advice and take it from there.

Were you under 18 when you received it?

penguinsss · 03/07/2023 15:05

@Reugny I was 19

memyselfi · 03/07/2023 15:08

Nope nope nope .
I wouldn't be signing anything .

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