MISSING TITAN SUB - THREAD 5

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Thread 5 - a continuation.

My heart aches for those poor men and their families. 💔😔

Completely agree. I'm v sad for the passengers and for their families. Also feel terrible that a young man has lost his life possibly due to FOG (arrrggggh). But I don't see him as a child. If we are going by the "brain is underdeveloped until one is 25" logic then we should really be first concerned that underdeveloped brains are qualified in this world to become soldiers, voters, parents.

Not saying this to incense anyone or derail the thread, but the recent discourse of how young adults, esp women, are actually "too young to take certain decisions" since their brain is underdeveloped, sounds like bollocks. The theory that a baby being 24/7 dependent on "underdeveloped brains" makes me feel ill.

@Igneococcus woah, now that's what I call a career!

I never think of it as unusual @Americano75 because I'm surrounded by people who do similar things.

A friend's son took his own life.

His mates, who found his body, put the information on FB (where it was partly annotated with a lot of "He wuz the best" and "Miss you hun" comments) before they rang the police.

His mother had only just had the visit from the police before the phone began to ring with people "consoling" her. It was dreadful.

@Igneococcus that makes sense. Sounds amazing though.

Boris Johnson does speeches saying his political hero is the Mayor in Jaws who gets everyone to get back in the water after the shark attack. It's his libertarian schtick and he and the hubristic break the rules Stockton Rush share many characteristics. He's not worth even 1 more minute of attention. I'm annoyed I've written about him.

Oh fuck off Boris. This is really starting to piss me off.

Beautifully phrased.

I'd like to second that.

I know I can Google but does anyone know the answers:

The titan was the first to go down to the titanic?

Yet Cameron went down over 20 years ago?

So who found the titanic and how? If divers and subs can't get there?

Wasn't it found 40 years ago?

Was this cameras / robots and not actual people?

Didn't titan have 7??! emergency back up plans? I saw a documentary and Stockton seemed to talk a lot about if things go wrong we have this etc and the guy about to go down wasn't fazed one bit.

The titan was not at all the first to go to the titanic. Richard Ballard was the first to find it in 1985 and there have been countless trips down by many military and oceanographers and researchers and various others since. Paul-Henri who was killed on the Titan had been to the Titanic more than 35 times, inclsuing piloting multiple missions in the late 80s and early 90s.

Didn't titan have 7??! emergency back up plans?

No emergency backup plan will be any good if the submersible implodes in a fraction of a second.

@nancy2022 Bob Ballard found the Titanic in 1985 using the ROV Argo operated from aboard the RV Knorr. There was lots of other work leading up to this, they had an idea where to deploy he sub at that point.
James Cameron has dived numerous times at the wreck, other people have too. The wreck was also scanned by a French team recently using diving robots.

The titan was not at all the first to go to the titanic. Richard Ballard was the first to find it in 1985 and there have been countless trips down by many military and oceanographers and researchers and various others since. Paul-Henri who was killed on the Titan had been to the Titanic more than 35 times, inclsuing piloting multiple missions in the late 80s and early 90s.

James Cameron has been been down more than 30 times himself. I watched the Channel 4 documentary, Into the Heart of the Wreck, and the Russian pilot of one of the Mir submersibles that Cameron used had been there 57 times, I think!

@Igneococcus

Absolutely. BJ is just showing typical ignorance, unfortunately for an audience that either believe every word or don't care he's wrong.
There's probably much to learn from wrecks like Titanic but not by tourists.

@Freefall212

Exactly so why did the Mexican guy on the documentary upthred say they made history?

Boris Is he still talking? 🙄

I don't think the Logitech controls were the problem here. I do think the carbon fibre hull had a lot to do with what went wrong, whether it was a cast off or shiny new, as James Cameron stated, over many dives the laminate starts to separate from the carbon fibre below, allowing water to start to corrupt the carbon fibre and weaken it. Suddenly it collapses catastrophically at high pressure. It was the wrong material for the purpose.

I know this. I meant it would put you off being told this just before you got in.

I have no idea. You would have to ask him!

BORIS JOHNSON: Lefties sneer. But those brave souls on the submarine died in a cause - pushing out the frontiers of human knowledge - that's typically British and that fills me with pride

There is pushing the boundaries of human knowledge but this device was built and operating outside of engineering norms. Which is fine, this is how we discovered the world was not flat. But proven engineering knowledge did point to the fact this submersible was not fit for purpose and it was proved right.

But this submersible, it was not a submarine and there is a difference, was setup for commercial trips to people who did not have the engineering background to make a proper decision (although the disclaimer they signed did mention death 3 times on page 1 apparently which should have given then a clue).

There is nothing to be proud of here. Full on willie waving at its best.

Yes it’s the de lamination of the carbon fibre. He was informative

have there been other deaths in submersibles exploring the Titanic?

And the cyclical fatigue - which makes sense of going down on previous occasions

True.

However - it would be interesting to see if they did have emergency back up plans for situations that may arise.

As someone said before - think about the scenarios that could arise and look at the back up plans available.

Such as - the ballast not releasing when you press the release button.
Losing engine power
Losing communications

Igneococcus and DumboLives what you said.

What is tragic is that lives were lost in an unnecessary and ill-advised vanity project that was not about "pushing out frontiers of human knowledge" but throwing money around seeking ever more extreme experiences while being lax about safety.

And Boris should really crawl under a rock and be quiet now. His hunger for attention is pathological. Look at the comments under his Daily Mail article. Even they are tired of him.

You are literally my favourite person on the whole internet right now, all your posts are fascinating 😊

The only lessons learnt from this avoidable tragedy are:

• the law of physics are immutable
• stress and safety testing are not just valuable but essential
• hubris will often result in serious impacts both for the individual and those drawn into their orbit