MISSING TITAN SUB - THREAD 5

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Thread 5 - a continuation.

My heart aches for those poor men and their families. 💔😔

Lots of jealousy and envy towards financially wealthy people- It was ever thus and will ever be.
People suggesting that the Uber wealthy should donate most of their money is unrealistic.
People who are wealthy from their own innovations and skills I actually respect.
Inherited wealth is different, as “ Effortless”.

It is, indeed. Most of the posters on this thread weren't on threads 1 - 4 (and that last one is when the conversation took a turn for the weird) and are now just derailing the thread.

They were human beings. I think much of capitalism is nonsense, hate the current inequality and think the super rich get away with murder. In my preferred world there would be no billionaires.

But five people, all somebody's son/sibling/father with their own hopes and dreams for the future were killed. Nobody deserves to die and especially not like this.

Some human beings are more equal than others.

There would be an outcry if the glee was about poor men dying, but it's ok to sneer about rich men dying.

I mean, I'm neither gloating nor 'heartbroken.'

I hate the morality police, but there have been some truly vile comments on social media. The poor families.

@Locutus2000 Thread 5 is a dumpster fire

Isn’t it just? The irony of people expressing, over and over, venomous contempt for the wealthy who apparently contribute nothing good to society and aren’t deserving of sympathy (on the sole basis that they are rich), while evidently being thoroughly unpleasant people themselves. All while benefiting from technological and medical advances, many of which were facilitated by vile rich people investing in research that has made these things possible.

It feels like there’s an increasing amount of divisive black and white thinking and a decreasing amount of critical thinking in society at the moment. Maybe it’s social media. It is possible for things to be more than one thing or the other, you know.

Excellent post. Life is nothing but shades of grey and everybody contributes something to the world.

You have absolutely no idea that this is true. It's just conjecture. The aunt could be right or wrong or somewhere in between. He could have been terrified and excited at the same time. It could have been his idea. You are just running away with a thought that isn't based on fact.

I just made the mistake of looking at the Daily Mail and remembered why I have an extension to block it. Just ghoulish now.

Ironically it's attitude and mentality that's also screwing the country over. The reality is that some people will always have more money, whenever for example doctors pay comes up people are always quick to state that they earn more than they do and so can't possibly deserve to be paid fairly; this is leading to an exodus and also hindering people without financial support from being able to afford everything that comes along with being a junior doctor. Soon enough moan about the lack of doctors and healthcare though. Some genuinely believe a doctor should ethically be paid the same as someone in an entry level ritual job and there are cries of well they work hard too.

I actually fell out with a close friend recently because it got to the point where every time we spoke she started ranting about rich posh people and making sweeping generalisations about things that weren’t based on any kind of fact beyond her own biases and prejudice. Everything was was black and white with her and I got throughly sick of the unpleasantness she directed towards anybody who had money or was doing vaguely well in some area of their life, as if these people never experience any difficulties or emotional lability whatsoever. It was all-round negativity and I’m so glad we we’d stopped speaking before this incident happened because she would’ve been the first to condemn them to four days of torture and impending suffocation for having the audacity to have some money.

@SheilaFentiman

Thank you so much for the link to this Twitter thread which is really interesting and identifies the many safety failings in the Titan and compares it with the sub James Cameron used to go to the bottom of the Marina Trench. It's a long list and the Tweeter says

Guys I am not an engineer. I'm a doctor & a pilot who used to tutor physics a decade ago. The extent of my engineering experience was watching my civil engineer father crush pre-stressed concrete as a kid. And yet these are the Titan failures I've identified. THAT'S MAD.

https://twitter.com/LadyDoctorSays/status/1671700989429297152?s=20

This was a very striking one:

"Looking at the basic descent & ascent: DCV1 descends because of >450kg of steel weights held to either side by electromagnets. To rise to the surface, the pilot flips a switch, the plates of steel fall to the ocean floor, & the foam pushes the sub skyward. This step is critical.

If the weights don’t drop, the pilot & DCV1 would be stuck at the bottom of the ocean. To ensure they function properly, engineers incorporated not one but SEVERAL backup systems:
1. If there’s a power failure or the magnets’ batteries run out, the weights will drop automatically
2. The support team at the surface can drop the weights via an acoustic command.
3. A special wire (galvanic timed release) helps connect the weights to the sub; it corrodes after ~11-13 hrs in seawater. Even if the pilot is KO'd & mothership can't communicate, the DCV1 rises
4. The pilot can power up something called a “frangibolt,” which uses heat to break the bolts that keep the weight-drop mechanism in place, thus jettisoning the whole assembly.

FOUR SEPARATE mechanical mechanisms to guarantee the DCV1 rises.

Titan had one elevator button"

^^

@Marteenie completely agree.

Some genuinely believe a doctor should ethically be paid the same as someone in an entry level ritual job and there are cries of well they work hard too.

Funnily enough, this is one of the things the ex-friend I referred to above argued. She truly believes a doctor should be paid as much as a carer. Apparently only very posh and privileged people can have an elite career such as medicine, and complained that GPs do fuck all work anyway for their huge salaries. This while I’m studying so hard to work in a medical capacity (and with next to no money or support, and a fuck load of adversities). By the end I couldn’t even be bothered to argue with her, it was so tedious.

I hope this link works - this letter to the CEO in 2018 was published in the New York Times

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/marine-technology-society-committee-2018-letter-to-ocean-gate/eddb63615a7b3764/full.pdf

Of course it can be very difficult to afford to study medicine if you’ve faced adversities, but that’s a whole different issue.

The passengers on board died about an hour and 45 minutes into the descent. They are now part of the debris area around the two parts of the Titanic.

It's pretty crass. A life is a life. Doesn't matter whether they're billionaires or in poverty.

And I agree the rich-bashing gets pretty wearing. The top 1% pay 30% of income tax revenue in the U.K. Yes, some of the uber rich live in tax havens and find ways of reducing their tax bill. But when we're all complaining about the NHS and schools needing more money, we seem to conveniently forget that those people are contributing a lot more money than most.

Just because they're billionaires doesn't mean their families aren't devastated by losing their parent, brother, son, whatever.

Are you on a time delay @placemats ? 🙄

@grass321 But when we're all complaining about the NHS and schools needing more money, we seem to conveniently forget that those people are contributing a lot more money than most.

Yep. See also people who are comfortable demanding lower taxes and complaining about how much of their salary is taken away while simultaneously moaning they can’t get an appointment with their GP, or how long they have to wait at A&E.

😅

Isn’t that true for absolutely everyone? We all die. It only really affects our loved ones so why bother commenting or reporting on any deaths, ever?

While ever we feel some people, based on their financial status, are more or less worthy of concern, conversation and sympathy, we’re never going to evolve.

If you don’t want to see emotional and sympathetic comments on a current, fatal news story, then don’t click the link.

I have far more concern for people, such as you, who feel distain for anyone who has empathy than people who are moved emotionally by 5 human beings being crushed to death.

I mean, they all are vanity outings. Which is completely fine, until it leads to the entirely predictable death of your son.

I take my six year old skiing. Because I love it, and want to share that experience with him. What I don’t do is take him backcountry ski-mountaineering in an avalanche zone, because it is too risky. But still not as risky as this sub trip very obviously was.

If this Titanic-obsessed guy had taken his son to the Titanic museum, or on an Atlantic crossing, or an iceberg cruise in the artic circle, or scuba diving on a shallower wreck, and there had been a tragic but unforeseeable accident that killed them both, absolutely nobody would be criticising him. Accidents and acts of god happen. This sub imploding was unfortunately entirely foreseeable, and it is hard not to criticise somebody persuading their unwilling child to tag along with them. I would say the same about an Everest ascent, or wing suit jump, btw.

I've become totally obsorbed by deep water exploration as a result of this. It's not something I'd even ever really given two seconds thought to. I had a vague awareness that the water pressure was too strong for humans to withstand but nothing detailed.

I've read so much about this the past few days and its amazing stuff. The first crewed dive to the bottom of 10,911 metres (35,797 ft) in the Challenger Deep of the Mariana Trench was in 1960!!! 1960!! by Jacque Piccard. Given what I know now about the safety issues and what happened to the Titan, it blows my mind that in 1960 they managed to do this - before the advanced computer design/simulations/testing of materials that is available today. Wow.

I mean still stupid. But pretty extraordinary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trieste_(bathyscaphe)

No. Really? Breaking news.