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MISSING TITAN SUB - THREAD 5

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tortoishelll · 22/06/2023 21:31

Thread 5 - a continuation.

My heart aches for those poor men and their families. 💔😔

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JeandeServiette · 23/06/2023 03:14

DumboLives · 22/06/2023 22:43

I believe they all had to sign a disclaimer which mentioned death three times on the first page so not sure if any claim will hold. I hope the American authorities crack down on these ventures and stop this freakish and unregulated tourism.

The Titanic was built with zero safety in mind which is why so many died. She should be left in peace, with respect to the victims of that night.

If I got you to sign a disclaimer before I murdered you, I think I'd still be in trouble.

Boomshock · 23/06/2023 03:31

I'm confused about why they are saying it was an implosion when they found 5 major pieces of debris. Wouldn't that imply an explosion rather than implosion?

Seddon · 23/06/2023 04:00

Boomshock · 23/06/2023 03:31

I'm confused about why they are saying it was an implosion when they found 5 major pieces of debris. Wouldn't that imply an explosion rather than implosion?

My understanding is that the main, cylindrical pressure chamber imploded, and other bits and pieces attached to it such as the tail and landing platform broke away.

Boomshock · 23/06/2023 04:06

Seddon · 23/06/2023 04:00

My understanding is that the main, cylindrical pressure chamber imploded, and other bits and pieces attached to it such as the tail and landing platform broke away.

That was what was reported initially but they found both the front and end of the pressure chamber and other pieces.
https://news.sky.com/video/undersea-expert-five-different-pieces-of-major-debris-signalled-it-was-titan-12907964

Undersea expert: Five different pieces of major debris signalled it was Titan

The US Coast Guard says the missing Titan submersible imploded near the wreckage of the Titanic, and it is likely that there are no survivors.

https://news.sky.com/video/undersea-expert-five-different-pieces-of-major-debris-signalled-it-was-titan-12907964

WiddlinDiddlin · 23/06/2023 04:14

Implosion in this context doesn't mean everything is compressed into a tiny pellet - it generates enormous heat, even at that low temperature, and the different materials it's made of will break up differently.

So first it implodes, and then it effectively explodes, between that and the currents, the debris left will drift away from where the event occurred.

BadNomad · 23/06/2023 04:15

An implosion is when an outside force causes an object to collapse inward, whereas an explosion is the force radiating outwards. In this case, what likely happened is when the capsule was breached, water shot in so violently that it obliterated everything inside and shredded the capsule. They will find parts of the capsule, but it's very unlikely any human remains will be found due to how soft the human body is.

Boomshock · 23/06/2023 04:24

Thank you @WiddlinDiddlin and @BadNomad

Physics is not my strong point,
So say for example on the actual Titanic, when water rushed in and destroyed things and smashed glass etc would that technically have been considered an implosion too?

WiddlinDiddlin · 23/06/2023 04:31

Yes, but it would have happened so fast the water would boil... thus ejecting everything outward... probably (physics is not my strong point either).

There is a not remotely gory video here that shows something similar with the slowed down version of the vertical jar (the horizontal version later isn't as demonstrative)... (this is just a jar under pressure in water, nothing nasty!)...

What Happens if You Crush a Vacuum Chamber Under Water with Hydraulic Press?

In this video I show you what happens when you crush a vacuum chamber under water with 40 ton hydraulic press. Filmed 5500 fps with Chronos 2.1 high speed ca...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANJg3lKp71s

Peanutlatte · 23/06/2023 04:53

weareallout · 22/06/2023 23:35

I can not get excited about a bunch of stupid very wealthy men / thrill seekers who think it's a good idea to go to the bottom of an ocean in a metal tube at vast expense with zero regulation. Oh and take your teenager. Who didn't want to go. That's manslaughter.

Exactly

Splishsploshsplash · 23/06/2023 05:14

I’m sorry for the families but the only people it is devastating for is those family members. For everyone else, it’s privileged men with egos to match who have caused an unnecessary and ridiculous search to take place.

GrinAndVomit · 23/06/2023 05:54

Splishsploshsplash · 23/06/2023 05:14

I’m sorry for the families but the only people it is devastating for is those family members. For everyone else, it’s privileged men with egos to match who have caused an unnecessary and ridiculous search to take place.

Jesus. Is that really where we are now as a society?

FernGully43 · 23/06/2023 06:12

Horrible reading about what the aunt has come out with. If this is true, I can't comprehend the guilt the mother must be feeling.

Willmafrockfit · 23/06/2023 06:14

James Cameron's comments are pretty harsh

Igneococcus · 23/06/2023 06:16

Everything has an element of LFE .....deep sea exploration is not advanced......they knew the risks.......they have helped like countless others have in other fields of exploration.......

This is from thread 4. I'm only just catching up.
Alvin (in several iterations) has been operational since 1964, Nautile (Ifremer, France) since 1984, Jamstec (Japan's research organisation) has two deep sea crewed subs, Shinkai 6500 which can go to 6500 m has been operational since 1990, not sure about the other one. I've been in one of these, I know people who have dived in all of them. There are several uncrewed subs, both for science and in industry. There is a lot of exchange between the teams who run the subs.
I don't think we learn anything from this disaster that we didn't already know.

Waitingroompurplecup · 23/06/2023 06:41

Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but the divers who rescued the Thai boys from the cave were explorers, risk takers, putting themselves in danger for kicks etc. Then when the boys got stuck, they were the only ones with the knowledge and skills to help them when even several countries’ armies and navies couldn’t help. Then they were heroes.

I admire the people who are brave enough to do the things most wouldn’t or couldn’t. I think in this case there is a lot of bad taste because of the money involved and the shoddiness of the vessel.

But in alternative scenario, it could have been a vessel like this one involved in a rescue or recovery operation for someone else, and we would all be praising their bravery.

Explorers have discovered so much over the years and there’s still so much about the world we don’t know. How many people have learned something about marine exploration, the dangers of the seas, oxygen vs. carbon dioxide etc. thorough this incident and it’s media coverage. Seems like loads of mnetters became scientists overnight. For the passionate explorers who dedicated their lives to this cause, it’s an explorers death. For some, this could be a better alternative to a slow painful death at 90 odd in a care home with no capacity. They will go down in the history books with the whole world paying attention to their exploration.

It’s an extremely sad situation and at the same time a celebration of bravery and adventure. I can’t buy into the idea that they were “silly rich tourists.” They weren’t at a full moon party in Thailand or bating sharks in a cage for the cool photo. It was the ocean equivalent of a space mission (in a botched tin can).

Peanutbutteryday · 23/06/2023 06:44

milkyaqua · 23/06/2023 02:17

All hope is lost. It seems the US navy's SONAR did pick up an anomaly around the time the Titan went off comms. So it happened early on, not after days trapped, and it was very fast. Other than a rescue, that is the best outcome for those men, but so damn sad.

I don’t know why they didnt report this at the outset

Willmafrockfit · 23/06/2023 06:48

@Peanutbutteryday
i guess the world didnt need to know the full facts, they still had to do a search and rescue

Marteenie · 23/06/2023 06:49

The Titanic was built with zero safety in mind which is why so many died. She should be left in peace, with respect to the victims of that night.

This is very ignorant and also incorrect. Titanic was a real engineering feat, the number of lifeboats seems ridiculous and reckless to us now but it was in line with maritime regulations att the time- these were rightfully updated not long after. Honestly anyone who knows about engineering and knows about Titanic appreciates what an amazing ship it was, its demise was the folly of (some of the) crew who wanted to get to NY ahead of schedule and so powered on faster than planned.

Mumto1boyo · 23/06/2023 06:53

mayorofcasterbridge · 22/06/2023 22:07

Ranulf Fiennes was an expert. These were just people with more money than sense.

THANK YOU!!!! I said this more money than sense and got bollocked for it in the previous thread. And as OP said we don't belong in the ocean.

Marteenie · 23/06/2023 06:54

Peanutbutteryday · 23/06/2023 06:44

I don’t know why they didnt report this at the outset

Because they owe it to the families to get confirmation before telling thr world, it explains why they said no to certain equipment though because they likely knew it wasn't needed. Again as explained in previous threads the public are told when it's appropriate and not as soon as possible just because people are curious.

There's also an unsavoury undercurrent of bitterness towards the rich even if people don't realise, some of the comments are wild and there's an irony really in some disregarding the value of their life because they're rich of which there is an irony. I still stand by the fact that the search was so extensive because an S&R at this depth is highly unusual and callously perhaps it's excellent training for crews. Co ordinating a global effort and compraong inventory to see what can best be used and then planning everything is no mean feat.

SheilaFentiman · 23/06/2023 06:56

Peanutbutteryday · 23/06/2023 06:44

I don’t know why they didnt report this at the outset

They may well have told the families, but until the debris was found, it wouldn’t have been conclusive that the noise was this.

It probably informed the first search location once the RO robots arrived.

Willmafrockfit · 23/06/2023 06:58

there are definitely people anti the crew due to the cost of the trip, it is a pity so much emphasis was placed on the cost

Marteenie · 23/06/2023 06:58

Mumto1boyo · 23/06/2023 06:53

THANK YOU!!!! I said this more money than sense and got bollocked for it in the previous thread. And as OP said we don't belong in the ocean.

2 of them are highly experienced, you're assuming they all had 'more money than sense' probably as its something you can't imagine doing. We also don't know how much of the safety issues were apparent and openly available prior to their trip and some is ignorance like people being obsessed with the games controller.

As for not belonging in the ocean, I agree it's foolish to be reckless but we are communicating now due to things laid in the ocean for a start.

desertcalippo · 23/06/2023 06:59

Feelingsickrightnow · 22/06/2023 22:03

It’s not fair to say that these people went there as they were billionaires so could afford it.
I read some horrible posts saying that they were bored and didn’t know what to do with their money etc.
I don’t agree with it..
If the actual Titanic was closer and for example not deep in the ocean in a remote area but parked outside our coast line or down the road, there would be thousands of people queuing and going to see it.
Only as it is far far away in the middle of ocean, ordinary people can’t not afford it so only few managed to go..but I bet if it was available to anybody and free there would be waiting lists long as possible..

Never agreed with a post so much!

SayHi · 23/06/2023 07:01

Sorry NRTFT but the navy picked up the sounds of an implosion right at the beginning and reported it, either before it was classed as missing or just as it was classed as missing (perhaps it’s what triggered the search).

It takes 30 milliseconds for the vessel to implode so people on board would not have even had time to grasp what was happening.

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