Missing Titan Sub! Thread 4

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As thread 3 is filling up here is a new one. For the benefit of those just joining the conversation;

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Yes we know they're billionaires
We can discuss things that are horrifying and ghoulish, thanks for your opinion.
Migrant boats are sad too

As you were 😁

Not necessarily. If there was a leak, the sub would have exploded and it would have been an instant death.

The banging sounds could be from the Titanic wreck.

Yes, it’s like an incredibly slow motion car crash. I have been quite obsessed with it over the past few days. (I’m sure some will think that sounds like a terrible thing to say, but I have a long history of developing obsessions about things. It’s just a part of who I am). Partly thinking about how incredible a rescue would be and how wonderful. But also spending a lot of time thinking about how this could be one of the worst ways I can think of to reach the end of one’s life.

I think the whole situation reflects a lot of people’s darkest fears (being in an alien environment, being trapped, being completely helpless and entirely reliant on good luck and specialist equipment, being unable to speak to loved ones and communicate final words…) Just unspeakably awful. I hope those men have not suffered and have been able, somehow, to find peace.

Depends who is managing the media output. The most important thing is that the families are told first of the outcome and don’t hear it secondhand. I used to work for the NHS and it was always our priority to make sure the family knew and were supported before anything went out into the world. I worked on stuff like the Croydon tram crash, the Westminster lone wolf attack, etc. All that said, the eyes of the world are on this, so if it is found they are not going to be able to hide that fact, and it will be more about confirming that that submersible has been recovered but not commenting on the crew until family are briefed. It’s really horrible balancing act sometimes as stuff leaks and sometimes people can be arseholes (think of that dickhead who was taking images of Nicola Bullet being recovered), all you can do is act with integrity and protect the people at the centre of it as best you can.

I watched “The Travel Show- Take me to the Titanic” this morning and those going on the previous expedition shown on that all seemed to have a little drawstring backpack on them. I wonder what was in those, what they were allowed to take with them.

Was watching an interview earlier where an expert (sorry not sure of his name now) said in a past incident, a search and rescue team followed the sounds of banging similar to what they heard yesterday - it turned out the sub had imploded so the sounds were not humans trying to get help at all. It was just other animals/mechanical

And then a GBNews Interview where another expert said he felt the noises distracted the investigation as it could have been any noise :(

*Bulley, sorry DYAC.

Did titan get lost before/last year?

How did they get out from that situation last year.

I just don’t think there’s any chance of them recovering it (and thus returning the bodies to the families). The Atlantic is so big and surely it’s been drifting for days so they actually have no clue where to look! A bit on the pessimist side apologies!

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They could never be found or nit for years. No closure or final messages if so.

Cable laying submersibles usually operate in pairs - quicker to identify problems, implosion, return to surface or snagging without an 8 hour interval for currents and location questions. And I think usually if they experienced communications problems they'd return to the surface.

The second hand poles are ballast - dropped from the bottom of the sub for it to ascend.

FWIW the Titanic and AFAIK the search site are a long way offshore, so unless the helicopters are satellite tracked they'll disappear off Flightradar before they get into the search area..

Also to add to the confusion there's a big oil/gas field offshore south east of St John's, a lot of helicopter traffic in/out of the airport will be associated with that, rather than the search.

https://www.gov.nl.ca/iet/energy/petroleum/offshore/projects/terranova/

Not lost. Comms failed but the submersible came back up fine.

“Migrant boats are sad too”
Ffs

Yes I know that. Even so, it ties in with the Heath Robinson approach to engineering that the owner of the company used.

The pressure on every part of the craft is thousands of times that on the surface

About 400 times atmospheric pressure, let’s not get carried away.

Yes, they basically have none of their own navigation systems on board so rely on comms with the mothership to tell them where to go. They lost those and then they came back but the controller was not working correctly ie when they moved to go forwards the sub would actually go backwards- it's on the bbc doc (not sure if there have been other times too, probably!). Seems to be luck that it returned to be honest.

What struck me is that the employee is sat there whilst something is evidently wrong but doesn't really say what straight away to the rest, they clearly know it isn't as it should be but I thought bloody hell how scary. You can see the fear in them but as soon as its resolved via a workaround they all seem to want to continue on and see the wreck rather than head to the surface so can assume they were all ridiculously keen to see it (I mean you'd have to be right). They did seem to understand the risks as they seemed terrified to be honest and unsure when the door was being bolted. I guess for some the risks are outweighed by the desire to do it.

One thing I learned today is that they will be banging on carbon fibre not titanium. Like knocking on wood rather than ringing a bell.

Earlier there was some talk about how long it took to raise the alarm. I said I felt it was negligent to wait eight hours. The family of one man on board are now saying the same thing. To me, the coast guard should have been notified immediately because it is their decision as to whether to initiate a complex rescue protocol; this wait and see approach of the company may be fatal if it comes to there being just hours in it.

I'd rather they dropped something second hand if they have to chuck it away!

So Comms failed - I don't know what that means. Is that communication?

Did they do any report into the situation from last year and what can they rectify to make it better? Or did they ignore the incident and continue with this. It makes this incident so much more worse because last year's incidents should have been a warning sign.

It seems to me as if the CEO of oceangate was a cowboy. It was a hobby that he managed to make into a business to swindle millions out of people.

There's something about this being played out live at this stage that makes me feel really uncomfortable. It's obvious why there's an interest in the story, but there's something about the endless countdowns to when the oxygen runs out that has really unsettled me.

It feels different to regular coverage about, say, a missing person because the oxygen countdown feels like the world is counting to their deaths given how unlikely a successful rescue mission is.

Excuse my ignorance, why doesn't this thing just end up floating back up to surface??

They'll have phones on them, in that sub. I hope to god if it's found they hand them over to the families and don't release any of what's been recorded.
Not to that f-wit of a step son though. He'd probably make a Tiktok out of his stepdad's final words to see if he can get on some reality show on the back of it