Missing Titan Sub! Thread 3

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OP of the last thread has said she has to pop out so making this one as we’re almost full on the 2nd thread.

I cannot stop thinking about these poor men.

'Surely as a deterrent to this, or any other organisation doing the same.'

Dying at the bottom of the ocean in a mickey-mouse tin box isn't enough?

I'm aware this might sound heartless to some but just to give a different perspective on the search and rescue effort compared to other ocean related horrors.

Thankfully there isn't often a need to deploy the type of kit that they need for this, this really is a once in a blue moon type of search- the depth, the unknowns, the weather...its really pushing global resources in this area to the limits. And that's appealing to people who work in this field and who develop and operate this type of kit; most carry out unmanned surveys and the like and it really is a new way of operating and pushing the limits, its of course unethical to replicate this for research and for drills.

I'm not saying people involved aren't passionate about saving the lives of those on board, but from a scientific and innovation perspective there's a lot to learn and as I said that's a big draw. Sadly there isn't a lot of money anymore in a lot of S&R outfits, people drowning is of course and without doubt a tragedy and heartbreaking and their lives are just as important- but there isn't always the funding and the bandwidth to afford everyone this level of resource.

Again sorry if that sounds horrible, I don't know quite how to convey it but working within this field broadly this response isn't a surprise to me and I don't think it's solely down to the people on board.

I am a lawyer. Trust me, there will be countless of US laws that they they can be prosecuted under or civil suits by authorities, if the authorities so chooses. It will be a case of whether the relevant authorities (and they are many involved here) want to punish them or not. It will all derive from there.

From BBC news just now:

The Victor 6000, a submersible operated by the French research institute Ifremer, has arrived in the search area.

Working in four-hour shifts, a team of two pilots will navigate and control its movement from a control room on board the surface ship, the Atalante.
There will also be a third person in the control room helping with the mission. They could be from the Canadian coastguard or from the company which operates the missing submarine the Titan.

The lights and cameras that Victor 6000 has on board will enable the team on the surface ship to see in real time what is on the floor of the ocean to a distance roughly equivalent to a small tennis court.

The French submersible also has two mechanical arms capable of extremely delicate manoeuvres such as cutting or removing debris.

Well, I know the odds are very long now on, but it's not over until it's over. Maybe there will be a stroke of luck just in time. Here's hoping.

I think they will continue the search as longs they can - apart from anything else, they will want to know what went wrong. For that, they will need to get hold of the sub.

'I don't think so. It doesn't require hindsight for most people to know this was dangerous, they even sighed an agreement knowing there's a chance they could be injured or die.'

In my experience, very wealthy people don't think rules apply to them.
And this is an absolute example of this.
Money can buy anything. Including a unique and infamous death. $250k is nothing to these people.

Well yes but if no one is held accountable then you can guarantee once the publicity has gone quiet Ocean Gate or another group could try to do it all again. We've have people on the news who have said they've been there and done it and would do it again regardless of the current situation.

Clearly there needed to be strict regulations in place and going by all the experts who have been on the news there doesn't seem to have been. I wonder why?

@CrunchyCarrot

And then if Victor finds them, logistics to attach the rope will have to be coordinated as it is from two other separate ships. It is all over. May they rest in peace.

Hope this puts a stop to this stupid ego tourist trip nonsense.

I want them to be found alive but wouldn't have any sympathy for future trips tha went wrong.

It seems most of them were very knowledgeable men and would have no doubt known the risks (presuming they weren't lied to). I don't think the picture of them just throwing money at this and assuming it'd be fine is that accurate, one even made a video about what would happen if it all went wrong; to them it was obviously a risk worth taking.

Why did Victor take so long to arrive?

How long will its battery last?

I think that would be long and complex. For it's not the case that safety checks were not carried out. The checks were different to the ones for formal recognition, but the company claim that what they were doing was actually a better test (and more frequently carried out). That claim would need to be tested. Highly experienced people such as Paul-Henri Nargeolet were happy with the state of preparedness.

Having seen videos of the titanic as it is now I really don’t see the appeal of even going to look at it?

Helpful.

Me too.

Whilst like everyone else I'm trying to remain hopeful, it's looking increasingly unlikely there will be a positive outcome for the five (particularly the nineteen year old) involved. I firmly believe that this tragedy could have been avoided if common sense had been employed.

I’m way too claustrophobic to go near that thing on dry land even but I can see why some would want to

@CrunchyCarrot

Thank you

I think there are various ways someone could end up with more than their fair share of supplies, but I prefer to focus on the altruistic ways that could happen.

Precisely. It's not to my taste but it's a big world.

If it was in a museum or somewhere on land then I can imagine wanting to see if for the sake of curiosity only but i just can’t imagine what the appeal was for them. I know 19 is an adult but I don’t think he was old enough to make an informed decision and most 19 year olds would think that it must be safe if their parent is willing to go.
I want them all to be saved but I’m holding out hope for him especially

Its on a ship. Ship has to sail there. All this heavy equipment can only get their by sea. The us Navy has stuff on the east coast but someone has to ask for it, the eqpt moved to the site and then put in place. This is doable if there wasnt a clock ticking down. Also they have to locate the submersible. Down there, in the blackness with I presume no beacon emitting a pulse. Reading the story of Dr. Guillem who was down there, the sub was pushed against one of the ships propellers by the current. Horrendous!

It seems to have taken too long for the equipment needed to get there to help.

Don't understand why it didn't happen sooner.

It's not over until it's over. The Horizon Arctic is in position to assist Victor with chains and lifting. The Magellan ROV has side-scan sonar to assist in the search for the submersible. All sorts of ships have arrived with specialist equipment.