Missing Titan Sub! Thread 3

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OP of the last thread has said she has to pop out so making this one as we’re almost full on the 2nd thread.

I cannot stop thinking about these poor men.

I keep refreshing the news too. I keep hoping for a miracle but it is seemingly unlikely now.

"If they have their spare air in scuba tanks, I could imagine the father giving his tank to his son - likewise whatever water ration he has. This would double the amount of time the son has to survive"

@Yikesno do you think the father would though? Yes there's a tiny chance the son could be rescued at the last minute as a sole survivor, but the more likely scenario is that he would be surrounded by 4 dead bodies in a tiny space including his fathers body for the final hours of his own life.

It's just horrific to think that these are the things likely going through these men's minds

Yes, this is the timeline of the banging noise as I understand it.

First heard on Tuesday night- the plane was there for 4 hours.
Then again heard yesterday (Wed) morning.
Then again heard yesterday (Wed) PM

Th last banging (Wed PM) was picked up by 3 planes who recorded the banging at exactly the same times. Hence an expert says the banging is 'repeated and credible'.

I'm sick of all this social media "The nasty USA stopped expert British team from joining search" - unless you are actually involved in the co-ordination of the rescue a layman has no idea what equipment would/wouldn't be useful, the logistics involved etc.

Totally different scenario but this reminds me of the equally idiotic and distasteful screaming in the Nicola Bulley case for "non police search experts" to be involved NOW (and look what that achieved)

From the Guardian:

Dr David Gallo, a deep sea explorer, has stressed that it will take hours to rescue the submersible once it has been found – if indeed it turns out that the repetitive banging noises detected are coming from the lost sub. Speaking to Good Morning Britain on Thursday, he said:

In this case, the noises are repetitive, every half hour I believe.

Three different aircraft heard them in their sensors at the same time and it went on for two days-plus.

It’s still going on apparently. There’s not a lot in the natural world we can think of that would do that every 30-minute cycle.

We have to, at this point, assume that that’s the submarine and move quickly to that spot, locate it and get robots down there to verify that is where the submarine is.

They’ve got to go fully ready as if that was the sub because it takes a while to locate it and get it up to the surface, it takes hours.

Is anyone else keeping an eye on David Concannon’s Facebook posts?

On the news, a chap from OceanGate gave a press conference for the first time. I could not stop saying: "You are going to jail. You are going to jail'.

Yes, someone will go to jail for this.

Banging like that, on and on and on, knowing it's likely to be futile - that would send you mad.

I think they will. Maybe until tonight or another 24houts until they drop the urgency to "recovery". Otherwise they're risking missing a survivor.

With regard to how foolhardy or not it was for the father to take the teen - people take their children on aeroplanes (sealed in a metal tube away from ground level totally at the control of the pilot) thousands of times every day for the sake of tourism - and there are cheaper mass-market submarine tourism options available (such as the submarine safari in Tenerife) which run everyday as a "family" activity.

The sea-life/reef watching sub trips are obviously kept very near the surface in shallow water so they have much less risk of suddenly imploding etc, but I don't think many passengers comb through the full safety inspection reports before booking, and trying to get young children back to the surface if something did go wrong on the fairly heavily-populated sub still has a high risk of being fatal for at least some.

I suspect that there is less difference psychologically than you might think between the two - it is just that more money buys you a more exotic (and therefore also riskier) trip.

Thanks for info @Snowy2022 and @milkyaqua

It’s hard to know what to write to convey feeling on that as will sound trite. My thoughts are with them

You would think if they could pick up the noise from a few different sonars these could be used to assess the location judging by the noise differences in the different sonars. I am sure they are trying to do this sort of thing. But I guess it’s just so difficult to pinpoint and without an exact location the search isn’t really possible

Yes, someone will go to jail for this.

Surely, the person most likely to be held accountable is the one already paying the ultimate price?

This was what I thought too. Hideous.

It's possible authorities have been under pressure to look like they are pursuing a rescue. These are men with influential friends and contacts. Also the world media is very interested and watching.

I imagine privately at least, most experts will have concluded early on that virtually nothing could be done without knowing as a minimum where the sub is. So I don't blame them hesitating to send more people to dangerous depths with no clear plan.

They signed waivers. The CEO is paying with his life. None of the families need the money from suing, already billionaires.
What would be the point of 'someone' going to jail?

No I think men like that will be of the mindset that you follow the protocol, as long as you can. Two of them are pilots and one is a sailor.

I hope and assume they carry Valium down there as part of there standard kit and have been able to offer something to that poor lad.

They really are looking for a needle in a haystack and the sensible part of my brain says that they are highly unlikely to still be alive.

I can't imagine the horror of their deaths though and this must be absolute torture for their loved ones and the rescue teams.

I don't think so. It doesn't require hindsight for most people to know this was dangerous, they even sighed an agreement knowing there's a chance they could be injured or die.
Unless these people lacked capacity, which it doesn't sound to be true, I can't see there's any argument for blame. They knew what they were doing and nobody forced them into it.

Yes and no.

The French expert navy diver would have known that it's the correct protocol, and that it might be heard. So even though they would all know that rescue might not reach them in time, it gives then the sense of agency that they are doing all they can.

If indeed it is them. It's the regular interval (if reports are accurate) which suggests it could be

It IS heartbreaking (yes, my heart breaks for all lost at sea including migrants) that the CURRENT issue is that they can hear the banging but they cannot locate the sub.

I believe, Victor the French robot needs to be sent to a 'more mapped out area', and not just thrown into the deep sea with instructions: "go search for them'.

It is why the search area has been widened significantly. So clearly not on the edge of the titanic stuck, but either i)inside the wreck or ii) been moved far away by the under currents- sounds travels very fast through water why they can't point it where it is. The weights will not drop if there is a power failure- I was shocked by this.

Apparently the rescued US plane was found hundreds of miles from the point it dropped as it just floated like a fish for a while.

Surely as a deterrent to this, or any other organisation doing the same.

Yes, very true. I suspect this is why Magellan's statement earlier was very non-committal as they knew when and why they would be involved but to share that publically would be a shitshow.

I fee sorry for the son. Was he really old enough to make an informed decision about whether or not to go on this death trip?
Did he have enough life experience? Or did he do it because his dad encouraged him, told him it was safe, told him it would be cool to be one of the few in the world to be at the bottom of the ocean?
Poor kid probably hadn't even experienced most normal adventures/travel for 19 year olds.

I think the waivers should be considered void because there is a basic duty of care that has been neglected in the form of safety checks not being carried out.