Missing Titanic Submarine- new thread

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I see the first one is full, is there a new one?

I'd highly doubt with the knowledge that they're in a critical situation and quite literally counting down the minutes, that they have been able to keep completely cool, calm and collected - no matter how much so they are in daily life.

If you're if the right personality type, knowing that staying calm and cool and following a plan is your only hope, would focus your mind. Hopefully, the fact that they're all trying to model that to a youngster will actually help them.

So this was at best, an eight hour dive, with two at the site of one of the parts of the Titanic - there are two. It doesn't have toilet facilities. Loss of contact was Sunday.

I would be wailing and punching Stockton Rush.

I disagree.

If the submersible is eg trapped by sea debris, then that could have happened however high quality its build was.

If it has had a catastrophic failure of eg the viewing window, then that does speak to the quality of the build and the epithet “death trap” is more pertinent.

I don't think they'd be completely without panic but these are seasoned explorers. They will have been in dicey situations before and gotten out of it using their skills. They would presumably immediately set about doing the same thing. It would be hard to keep that up though, especially once your options other than "sit and wait to be rescued" are exhausted. I do feel extra sorry for the dad and his son, they do not seem to have them same level of experience as the other 3. Hopefully the other 3 are able to help them keep calm and busy with rescuing themselves.

Of course this is total conjecture and could be way off the mark. I'm just thinking of my own worst fears. I'm not claustrophobic but an inability to control my own fate. That's terrifying. Of course if I were in that submarine I would be useless and sucking down air at a massive rate in a panic.

Absolutely and the fact that he died only in 1984 shows how young he was at the time of the Titanic disaster, just 21 yrs old!

It does have a small toilet.

What’s wrong with the statement? Aside from rescue (and the mental trauma they'll have to live with) surely a quick death that they wouldn’t know about is better than the alternative slow death preceded by helplessness and fear.

By now the submersible has methane inside by dent of bodily waste fluids. Methane depletes oxygen and raises CO2.

That's just coincidence right? They haven't thought of putting it on because of this? That would be weird.

'A gravesite which the company were using for their own greed'

I don’t disagree, but it’s no different really to filmmakers making their millions from a film about this or any other disaster.

It's the BBC, anything is possible 😬

I watched it Saturday.

Sorry if someone has mentioned it already but struggling to find an answer. Is there a torch on the submersible? I know it's pitch black down there so I assume they have a torch?

I disagree.

If the submersible is eg trapped by sea debris, then that could have happened however high quality its build was.

There's a reason we have measures like fire escapes and sprinklers, though, even when the build quality of a structure is excellent. Nobody ever says "that's such a well built tower block, we will waive the need for emergency features".

To stretch the analogy a bit, it seems as though getting caught in something underwater was an entirely predictable possibility, as fire is always a possibility, so all the more reason to have the safety features.

I suspect the half-answer is that because they were in international waters, were a private enterprise, and generally operating in the Wild West of marine travel, none of that was mandated. I'm not sure "it wasn't mandated" will or should be the end of the conversation, though.

Oh my goodness I hadn't thought of that. I hope there is.

I looked that fella up (Oisin Fanning) and he’s more connected to OceanGate financially (funding them) than maybe the BBC have made out - the interview they are repeating with him where he’s all calm about their chances presents him more as a customer who happened to have done the voyage twice with them.

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If the submersible is eg trapped by sea debris, then that could have happened however high quality its build was.

Surely that's the kind of thing that would crop up when you're doing your risk assessment, so you'd have a plan for that. And that wouldn't affect comms either (probably).

The "catastrophic failure of the viewing window" scenario is less likely to happen (you'd think), but even so, that kind of event should be in a risk assessment, with a plan for what to do if it were to happen - even if that plan was that nothing could be done, that should be documented.

I was thinking there must be one attached to the submersible in order for them to actually see the Titanic? Unless they're using night vision?

While I agree with these sentiments I am also very sad for the human beings who decided, however foolishly, to take the risk they did, and now find themselves in such a terrifying and tragic situation.

I hope with all my heart that they're found in time.

There's a short film of him inside it, bragging and laughing about buying parts from a garden centre!! 😳

I found it strange that the CEO (who looks like a slightly hunkier Father Ted) said of getting caught: "Overhangs, fish nets, entanglement hazards. And, that’s just a technique, piloting technique. It’s pretty clear - if it’s an overhang, don’t go under it. If there is a net, don’t go near it. So, you can avoid those if you are just slow and steady."
But surely he knew that there are strong currents down there? That the blokes who went down years earlier got stuck on the propeller because of those very strong currents?

If you don't like the idea of people discussing a major news event and emotionally upsetting incident, don't read.

@tattygrl So trite. Often posted as if it has any real merit - posters are allowed to disagree with what you post or thread contents, you know. I mentioned I had hitherto avoided commenting due to the premise of the thread.

You said the father 'must be wracked with guilt'. I really doubt there is much opportunity for such reflection - but like me, you have no idea. Why should he feel guilty, in any case?

Equally, my point about you being uniformed is the fact that you throw out terms like 'playground' 'mess about' and so on - Hamish Harding is indeed very very rich but has also contributed to serious expansion of exploration targets and feats, and by all accounts, by those who worked with him and knew him is a really decent, humble guy. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65955554

Indeed... millions of us have seen footage of that 'grave site' at the start of Titanic.

(as I understand it, the only thing left of any bodies or clothes are shoes and boots)