Boris stands down as MP with immediate effect part 3

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Tomorrow is the Commons vote on the Privileges Committee's findings that Boris Johnson deliberately misled Parliament over Downing Street parties during lockdown

The vote is a free vote rather than being whipped either way. Tories have been told that the vote will be a one-line whip, meaning they will not be obliged to participate.

Boris Johnson is believed to have advised his backers to not vote against it.

Michael Gove confirmed on live tv that he will abstain

Tobias Elwood has u-turned on abstaining after hearing stories from voters

Rishi Sunak, who knows

Yes thanks. Are you? Are you not ignoring me anymore or will that come later?

Crossed my mind when I read it but I don’t know what his normal writing style is like. It was absolute dross though.

Well as you keep spamming threads with derail attempts ignoring you clearly doesn't work. So I am talking to you again 🥰🥰🥰

Just seen that JRM attempted to stick the boot into Harman over her tweets. Interesting for two reasons.

The first is that she said the government told her to carry on! I mean, wow. And the second is that him trying that line of attack on Harman probably suggests he isn't going to attempt it on Bernard Jenkins. Because he's the one you'd go for if your main aim was to discredit the committee, so the fact that Mogg didn't means he had a reason. I'm guessing party political.

'The English'. Nice bit of xenophobia there.

I really don't think Savile and Johnson should be in the same sentence but you do you.

That’s Great Grimsby going back to Labour at the next GE then. Tone deaf.

You think it is a little unfair on Saville to be associated with someone best known for lying repeatedly to parliament?

I'm not sure is fair to say: 'the English are easily duped'. Nor, loathe him as I do, would I compare Johnson to Savile. However the arrogant Old-Eton caricature is familiar to many English folk as it has dominanted Parliament for a long time now. I'd be interested to know how many from, say, Fettes have also dominated (a certain Mr Blair comes to mind, who took us into an illegal war) yet are much less hated.

I'm English myself but the whole of the UK have to suffer because England have so many forelock tuggers.

The point about Savile is creating a false character to pull the wool over the eyes of the public and have them fawning over you (and knighting you).

A war that the Tory party at the time would also have taken us into.

https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/howard-under-fire-over-iraq-7247839.html

Who else do you think voted in the current cabinet? I don’t see many Scottish, northern Irish or welsh members there? Please do feel free to correct me.

Surely if anything that would have biased him in Boris's favour?

More Tories finding their backbone

John Baron says he continues to believe that the former PM knowingly misled

Blair is widely hated for Iraq but the Tories were all for that war and would have took us into it as well if they were in power (as they did the disastrous Libya invasion under Cameron).

I dislike Blair for the wasted opportunity to reverse the discredited neoliberal/Thatcherite consensus.

Some petulant fidgeting from Rees-Moggs I note. Not sure nanny would approve. Those days when he could take a sprawling nap seem far away…

He might as well nod off, for all the influence he's having.

Fuck me. There are some tories giving me a large dose of hope there.

Opportunity missed by Sunak.

If only Rishi could have said what John Baron has. (Still wouldn’t vote for them mind but could at least remember with an iota of respect)

To come back to the thread topic, @Janiie, do you accept that Johnson lied to the House of Commons? And if so, was that OK?

If you don't, is that because you accept his explanation that he didn't know that the gatherings at no. 10 were against the rules? If not, what is your reasoning?

It really shows Sunak's poor judgement. He had a great opportunity to display some backbone and integrity as well as bring himself out of Johnson's shadow.

Is he scared of something?

What's interesting is that Mordaunt signalled her intention by proposing this. So he'll have known how she was planning to play it, tactically.

@User135644 I take your point about the creation of a 'persona' which led to fawning when the real, ugly individual was hidden below (not far sometimes).

I still find it very interesting. Early 1990s I worked for a Johnson style character. I left, & moved to Scotland. He came up on a business deal, took me out to 'Suppah' & spent the whole evening spluttering that 'the Scots didn't seem to like him'. I was less mystified. I told him that, had he asked in time, I could have told him that his brand of London / public school arrogance was unlikely to go down well up here, so toning it down might have been useful, pre 'Deal'. He, of course, attributed it to others xenophobia !!!

Rees Mogg is really trying, bless his heart.

So glad I got home in time for JRM. He really is an insufferable knob.

Someone should point out that Johnson did have the right to reply. He ran away from it. And saying that the house doesn’t have the right to reply in the middle of a debate and a vote on the report is just daft.