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Boris stands down as MP with immediate effect part 3

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DuncinToffee · 18/06/2023 16:56

Tomorrow is the Commons vote on the Privileges Committee's findings that Boris Johnson deliberately misled Parliament over Downing Street parties during lockdown

The vote is a free vote rather than being whipped either way. Tories have been told that the vote will be a one-line whip, meaning they will not be obliged to participate.

Boris Johnson is believed to have advised his backers to not vote against it.

Michael Gove confirmed on live tv that he will abstain

Tobias Elwood has u-turned on abstaining after hearing stories from voters

Rishi Sunak, who knows

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TomPinch · 20/06/2023 09:04

Off topic, I see the SNP did the usual shoehorn. A written constitution guaranteeing a health service free at the point of need? Crazyland.

cakeorwine · 20/06/2023 09:05

He just needed a Sir Humphrey or a Sergeant Wilson to say "Are you sure that's wise?"

SerendipityJane · 20/06/2023 09:06

Ah, the Boris notebooks. Where is was found he had stolen classified information.

That'll be the next consequence for him to face. That and briefing Russian spies about the UKs investigation into the Salisbury murder.

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Kiwano · 20/06/2023 09:06

cakeorwine · 20/06/2023 08:54

Lis Nici at 5.35 pm

"No, I will not give way at the moment. Those people advised the then Prime Minister again and again that no rules were broken and that guidance was followed at all times. Everybody in this place knows that no Minister stands at the Dispatch Box and knowingly misleads. They have to take counsel from people who advise them, many of whom are giving legal advice that they know to be the truth, but the public do not necessarily know that that is the case. If you are a Prime Minister and you are advised in that way again and again, no matter how you question that advice, you have to stand at the Dispatch Box and give those statements, because that is what you have been legally advised to do. People may not like that, but that is the truth, and that is why I am standing here and saying this."

I don't think he took LEGAL advice, did he?
Just advice from people who had been at the gatherings

Does she really think her hero took legal advice and that he questioned it rigorously? Aw, bless.

SerendipityJane · 20/06/2023 09:08

TomPinch · 20/06/2023 09:04

Off topic, I see the SNP did the usual shoehorn. A written constitution guaranteeing a health service free at the point of need? Crazyland.

If I were serious about independence and wanted as many people on board as possible, then I would publish my plans well in advance and encourage engagement and debate. I realise that's probably anathema to the tribally dim.

RafaistheKingofClay · 20/06/2023 09:08

Have you seen Jess Philip’s intervention in Nici’s speech where she asks if Nici has considered that Boris might be lying to her? Apparently Boris wouldn’t do that and she’s a very good judge of character.

She probably still thinks Boris went to Arcuri for IT lessons.

cakeorwine · 20/06/2023 09:10

Is there a transcript of the Committee meeting with Johnson anywhere?

TomPinch · 20/06/2023 09:12

SerendipityJane · 20/06/2023 09:08

If I were serious about independence and wanted as many people on board as possible, then I would publish my plans well in advance and encourage engagement and debate. I realise that's probably anathema to the tribally dim.

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It had nothing to do with the matter at hand.

(And while everyone should have access to healthcare, all that enshrining it as a constitutional right will achieve is a big money-spinner for lawyers rather than better-funded healthcare.)

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DuncinToffee · 20/06/2023 09:12

cakeorwine · 20/06/2023 09:10

Is there a transcript of the Committee meeting with Johnson anywhere?

The hearing itself is on Youtube, not sure about a transcript, I haven't been able to find it.

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Kiwano · 20/06/2023 09:14

RafaistheKingofClay · 20/06/2023 09:08

Have you seen Jess Philip’s intervention in Nici’s speech where she asks if Nici has considered that Boris might be lying to her? Apparently Boris wouldn’t do that and she’s a very good judge of character.

She probably still thinks Boris went to Arcuri for IT lessons.

Nici must be in the same fan club as Dorries. Dorries is equally convinced she's the only woman Boris has never lied to.

SerendipityJane · 20/06/2023 09:14

TomPinch · 20/06/2023 09:12

It had nothing to do with the matter at hand.

(And while everyone should have access to healthcare, all that enshrining it as a constitutional right will achieve is a big money-spinner for lawyers rather than better-funded healthcare.)

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It's a point of view. Put it forward. At least you have the chance.

TomPinch · 20/06/2023 09:16

Lia Nici says

in my former job as a college lecturer, I was grading this, I would say it is not impartial. It says Boris Johnson “claimed” and Boris Johnson “purported”, and that is not impartial language. Therefore, in my opinion, the report is not impartial in the way it is written.

??? Are words like "claim" and "purport" bad in British FE colleges now?

SerendipityJane · 20/06/2023 09:19

in my former job as a college lecturer, I was

not very good

?

Kiwano · 20/06/2023 09:20

DuncinToffee · 20/06/2023 09:12

The hearing itself is on Youtube, not sure about a transcript, I haven't been able to find it.

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Anyone who thinks Johnson isn't a liar really should watch it. It's very revealing - you can tell where he departs from his lawyers' coaching from the look on Pannick's face and the fact he himself clearly thinks he's being very clever. He gets increasingly testy whenever he's getting boxed in and realises that he's being caught out yet again. He blatantly really hates it when the person responsible is female.

Kiwano · 20/06/2023 09:25

Kiwano · 19/06/2023 18:23

To come back to the thread topic, @Janiie, do you accept that Johnson lied to the House of Commons? And if so, was that OK?

If you don't, is that because you accept his explanation that he didn't know that the gatherings at no. 10 were against the rules? If not, what is your reasoning?

Just that thought I'd ask @Janiie if she could turn her intention to this one now she's reappeared.

StormShadow · 20/06/2023 09:25

Yes, watching people's lawyers faces when they're talking is often very enlightening.

Notonthestairs · 20/06/2023 09:25

Johnson didn't take legal advice. Costa directly asked him about that in the Committee meeting.

In fact Johnson couldn't name who had taken advice from.

jgw1 · 20/06/2023 09:25

RafaistheKingofClay · 20/06/2023 09:08

Have you seen Jess Philip’s intervention in Nici’s speech where she asks if Nici has considered that Boris might be lying to her? Apparently Boris wouldn’t do that and she’s a very good judge of character.

She probably still thinks Boris went to Arcuri for IT lessons.

It was a brilliant intervention.

jgw1 · 20/06/2023 09:26

Kiwano · 20/06/2023 09:14

Nici must be in the same fan club as Dorries. Dorries is equally convinced she's the only woman Boris has never lied to.

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Which of them are @Janiie ?

RafaistheKingofClay · 20/06/2023 09:26

It’s the least convincing testimony I’ve ever seen. Even if he wasn’t Boris Johnson you’d be hard pushed to conclude he was telling the truth in it.

Pretty sure that if it was in an actual court any jury would see through it straight away.

SerendipityJane · 20/06/2023 09:29

StormShadow · 20/06/2023 09:25

Yes, watching people's lawyers faces when they're talking is often very enlightening.

It's a shame we ran out of irony before we could discuss the nominative determinism at work in "Pannick" ...

Notonthestairs · 20/06/2023 09:34

SerendipityJane · 20/06/2023 09:28

Yes. The sheer amount of time, money, energy and navel gazing expended on Conservative factional spats has proved costly.

StormShadow · 20/06/2023 09:35

SerendipityJane · 20/06/2023 09:29

It's a shame we ran out of irony before we could discuss the nominative determinism at work in "Pannick" ...

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Haha. I know people have had a lot to say about Johnson's legal fees, but honestly, Pannick earned this one the hard way! Talk about nightmare clients...

TomPinch · 20/06/2023 09:56

Hooray for Jess Phillips.

(who spoke after two Tory time-servers rambled about the lockdown and had to be reprimanded by the Deputy Speaker)

The idea that Boris Johnson did not understand the regulations—it is a cracking defence on his part because it basically means that he is too stupid. He’s either lying or he’s thick. Somebody said earlier they were not mutually exclusive. I think that is the case in this instance. Those two things are not mutually exclusive.

Particularly enjoyed the last sentence.

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