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Boris stands down as MP with immediate effect part 3

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DuncinToffee · 18/06/2023 16:56

Tomorrow is the Commons vote on the Privileges Committee's findings that Boris Johnson deliberately misled Parliament over Downing Street parties during lockdown

The vote is a free vote rather than being whipped either way. Tories have been told that the vote will be a one-line whip, meaning they will not be obliged to participate.

Boris Johnson is believed to have advised his backers to not vote against it.

Michael Gove confirmed on live tv that he will abstain

Tobias Elwood has u-turned on abstaining after hearing stories from voters

Rishi Sunak, who knows

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RafaistheKingofClay · 19/06/2023 23:29

LorraineInSpain · 19/06/2023 23:19

He seems to have been listed as a Teller, though, and I didn’t think their votes were counted?

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Number 7 is Desmond Swayne. His pass doesn’t seem to have been recognised when he swiped it for some reason.

TomPinch · 19/06/2023 23:34

Peregrina · 19/06/2023 23:29

What a bunch of chumps.

but that couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of people.

Actually everyone I've met from NI has been really nice!

Except for a couple of nose-in-the-air types from Lisburn and an angry Catholic from Derry but I think I'll let him off.

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DuncinToffee · 19/06/2023 23:42

Thank you coeurnoir and your colleagues.

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DuncinToffee · 19/06/2023 23:51

Boris Johnson got fewer votes than he has alleged children.

Grin
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Quiverer · 20/06/2023 00:00

Rhondaa · 19/06/2023 20:29

It's not a debate. It's folk queuing up to stick the knife in. Where, pray tell, is the debate in Philips and Butler banging on saying liar liar liar? It's juvenile.

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And yet defenders like Rees Mogg and Rici were given free rein to have their say. No doubt if Johnson and other supporters had had the bottle to turn up, they too would have been allowed to have their say. It's not the fault of his critics that Johnson's supporters, with a few exceptions, couldn't be bothered to try to defend him.

Kiwano · 20/06/2023 00:04

Rhondaa · 19/06/2023 21:15

'at some point you’re going to have to accept that your understanding of a party/social gathering is just at odds with society.'

The footage of Johnson at work, in an office with sandwiches on the table was not a party. I'll never change my mind. The whole thing has been a stitch up from start to finish. Granted the unelected folk in Xmas jumpers should've been bollocked but again, BJ wasn't there so not his fault. Why don't senior civil servants do their job and manage effectively?

Are you seriously contending that Johnson knew nothing about wine time Fridays, or thought they were OK? Were they, in your view?

Quiverer · 20/06/2023 00:09

StormShadow · 19/06/2023 22:13

118 Tories voted for the motion, in the end. That's a third of them.

This is excellent news. Let's hope it buries nonsense about the whole thing being a lefty plot by the Privileges Committee.

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DuncinToffee · 20/06/2023 00:15

Guess we found the whereabouts from some Tory MPs

As MPs debate his behaviour, Boris Johnson is attending the International Democratic Union reception tonight.

Sources say while there he criticised the privileges committee as “biased and wilfully ignorant” and added that “there is always another innings”.

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RafaistheKingofClay · 20/06/2023 00:17

The I saw no parties, there were no parties, the rules were obeyed at all times fell down about the time he started defending leaving dos and needing to relax as they were working hard.

Poor Andrea Jenkyns is moaning about how unfair it is that it was mathematically impossible for them to defeat the vote so they all got together and decided to boycott it and abstain. Fingers crossed they are stupid enough to employ this tactic in the next general election.

IJustHadToLookHavingReadTheBook · 20/06/2023 00:53

Just seen that Wes Streeting didn't vote. I wonder why? Would have firmly had him voting for. Maybe he's not in London/the country for some reason.

Maggiethecat · 20/06/2023 01:03

Imagine, an MP can stand in the HoC at any time in the future and call BJ a liar with impunity (winking at you Dawn).

Extraordinary!

And he talks about another innings. That must be down at the local cricket club.

TomPinch · 20/06/2023 01:18

If Johnson had any notion of rules he'd know there are only two innings per side and he's had his two. None would have been better, but hey.

Nat6999 · 20/06/2023 01:19

Peregrina · 19/06/2023 22:28

I wonder if Tory constituency parties will heed Nadine Dorries call to have all those voting for the motion to be de-selected?

If they deselected every Tory who voted for the motion, we would be in General Election territory.

itsgettingweird · 20/06/2023 04:06

Cornettoninja · 19/06/2023 21:03

nothing I have seen has shown me that Johnson was 'partying'

at some point you’re going to have to accept that your understanding of a party/social gathering is just at odds with society.

That won't happen. 2 threads ago I linked to the ORD dictionary of a "party". It mentioned "a gathering of people ....". If you keep saying it's a gathering and not a party despite this and ignore the link it's just more proof it's whataboutery.

And despite that we've seen evidence and seen the report.

It's like standing outside getting wet and citing "I've seen no evidence it's raining" Hmm

itsgettingweird · 20/06/2023 04:09

And most of all you don't lie about it.

This. It was never about whether he partied or not.

It's about if he followed the rules - proven he didn't.

And if he deliberately lied to the house/ misled the house - proven he did.

People's opinion that he didn't is actually irrelevant.

He's been found guilty.

itsgettingweird · 20/06/2023 04:16

cakeorwine · 19/06/2023 21:38

And there is no way you can excuse Wine Friday.

And if he did not know that guidance was not being followed, then he either a liar or an idiot.

Or he shouldn't have stood up in parliament and assured everyone numerous times that all guidance was being followed.

Back to the raining analogy. If someone asks if it's raining outside - you don't say no if you are unsure. You look, find out or day "I don't know".

itsgettingweird · 20/06/2023 04:24

TomPinch · 19/06/2023 22:52

Here's an example of a real skunk. This is reported by the Guardian.

Brendan Clarke-Smith, the Bassetlaw MP who had previously said he would vote against it, told Channel 4 News: “I’m not going to be voting one way or the other. I’m against the report and its recommendations.
“It’s not really right. The number of people that are in here, it’s kind of made a bit of a farce of it, I think to be honest.
“If we had a full house here and everybody was here to vote, I think you’d get a more realistic picture, but you’re not going to get that today. So really, I think I wouldn’t want to legitimise that vote today.”

What a whiner.

He's too thick to explain why he disagrees with the contents of the report.

He doesn't like the result so he's taking his ball home by not voting.

He implicitly casts doubt on the legitimacy of Parliament by his reasons for not voting. It's Parliament's role to vote on things so why the hell is he an MP?

Ahhhh - so the "it's not a true reflection as not enough people voted" whataboutery crap has started.

Well if they believe that to be true the other 2/3 of the Tory party should have turned up to influence the vote the way the feel it would have gone if they had. 🙄

jgw1 · 20/06/2023 05:33

Rhondaa · 19/06/2023 19:36

'Sir Stephen Timms taking the opportunity to bring up other times'

He's very waffly isn't he. They should be given a time limit and be told get to the point.

Should the same apply to posters for instance should their be a timelimit after which we should disregard contributions that can't be explained?

Goldencup · 20/06/2023 05:34

Zonder · 19/06/2023 22:16

This. Anyone else remember their works Christmas party of December 2020? I remember it clearly - all of us on our sofas in our Christmas jumpers waving a glass of wine and a cracker at the teams screen on our laptops.

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Yes with a quiz. My trust was a bit draconian but we weren't even allowed a Christmas party in 2021.

jgw1 · 20/06/2023 05:36

cakeorwine · 19/06/2023 21:38

And there is no way you can excuse Wine Friday.

And if he did not know that guidance was not being followed, then he either a liar or an idiot.

Is it possibly he is both?

jgw1 · 20/06/2023 05:42

RafaistheKingofClay · 19/06/2023 22:20

118 is more Tories voting yes than I thought. Couple of surprises on the list.

Daniel Kawczynski for a start. And Leadsome.

My missive to #dklemon might have had some impact. wow!

jgw1 · 20/06/2023 05:49

itsgettingweird · 20/06/2023 04:24

Ahhhh - so the "it's not a true reflection as not enough people voted" whataboutery crap has started.

Well if they believe that to be true the other 2/3 of the Tory party should have turned up to influence the vote the way the feel it would have gone if they had. 🙄

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Is this an arguement against following the "will of the people" in the Brexit referendum?

RafaistheKingofClay · 20/06/2023 06:34

Goldencup · 20/06/2023 05:34

Yes with a quiz. My trust was a bit draconian but we weren't even allowed a Christmas party in 2021.

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We were allowed one but there were almost daily emails about considering whether it was wise. Especially once the same department in a neighbouring trust has theirs and an insane number of people caught covid at it and they couldn’t run the service.

StormShadow · 20/06/2023 07:00

RafaistheKingofClay · 20/06/2023 00:17

The I saw no parties, there were no parties, the rules were obeyed at all times fell down about the time he started defending leaving dos and needing to relax as they were working hard.

Poor Andrea Jenkyns is moaning about how unfair it is that it was mathematically impossible for them to defeat the vote so they all got together and decided to boycott it and abstain. Fingers crossed they are stupid enough to employ this tactic in the next general election.

She's not a fan of, erm, parliamentary votes then? Odd job to be in if so.

Maggiethecat · 20/06/2023 07:18

Can we expect that he will now keep quiet and stop debasing the privileges committee and by extension Parliament or will he continue to bang on that the election was stolen?

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