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Boris stands down as MP with immediate effect part 3

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DuncinToffee · 18/06/2023 16:56

Tomorrow is the Commons vote on the Privileges Committee's findings that Boris Johnson deliberately misled Parliament over Downing Street parties during lockdown

The vote is a free vote rather than being whipped either way. Tories have been told that the vote will be a one-line whip, meaning they will not be obliged to participate.

Boris Johnson is believed to have advised his backers to not vote against it.

Michael Gove confirmed on live tv that he will abstain

Tobias Elwood has u-turned on abstaining after hearing stories from voters

Rishi Sunak, who knows

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Peregrina · 19/06/2023 22:28

I wonder if Tory constituency parties will heed Nadine Dorries call to have all those voting for the motion to be de-selected?

Zonder · 19/06/2023 22:29

TomPinch · 19/06/2023 22:20

Anyone know why the DUP didn't vote?

Because they owe Johnson one for Brexit?

ilovesooty · 19/06/2023 22:29

Peregrina · 19/06/2023 22:28

I wonder if Tory constituency parties will heed Nadine Dorries call to have all those voting for the motion to be de-selected?

That could wipe out Sunak's majority 😄

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L1ttledrummergirl · 19/06/2023 22:30

No surprises here. My kick the can down the road, avoid decision making, lacking a moral compass Tory MP didn't bother turning up. Hmm I do wonder what the point of her is.

DuncinToffee · 19/06/2023 22:32

Mine didn't bother showing up either, can't find anything about prior engagements either.

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LorraineInSpain · 19/06/2023 22:33

I was quite surprised my MP voted to approve the report. She usually steers well clear of anything close to expressing an opinion.

IClaudine · 19/06/2023 22:34

Hancock put the boot in.

IClaudine · 19/06/2023 22:35

Why didn't Rees Mogg vote?

TomPinch · 19/06/2023 22:36

Zonder · 19/06/2023 22:29

Because they owe Johnson one for Brexit?

Didn't Johnson throw them under a bus?

TomPinch · 19/06/2023 22:38

IClaudine · 19/06/2023 22:35

Why didn't Rees Mogg vote?

Because the worst skunks are lurking among those who didn't vote, because they don't want to 'legitimise' it.

It's a horrible, corrosive, anti-democratic viewpoint.

Bill Cash might be a bit crusty but all least he voted against like an honest man.

Blossomtoes · 19/06/2023 22:40

LorraineInSpain · 19/06/2023 22:33

I was quite surprised my MP voted to approve the report. She usually steers well clear of anything close to expressing an opinion.

Same. He’s managed to get one thing right in over two decades.

Peregrina · 19/06/2023 22:41

It's hard to understand why six no votes are listed but Hoyle read out the number 7. There can't exactly have been a crush in the No lobby can there?

TomPinch · 19/06/2023 22:43

Peregrina · 19/06/2023 22:41

It's hard to understand why six no votes are listed but Hoyle read out the number 7. There can't exactly have been a crush in the No lobby can there?

Enough for a socially-distanced party with a surprise cake etc.

StormShadow · 19/06/2023 22:45

TomPinch · 19/06/2023 22:38

Because the worst skunks are lurking among those who didn't vote, because they don't want to 'legitimise' it.

It's a horrible, corrosive, anti-democratic viewpoint.

Bill Cash might be a bit crusty but all least he voted against like an honest man.

It's a fair point, he had the guts to come and say his piece for the record and be counted. Like an elected representative in a legislature. It might've been complete shit but it's still more than over 200 of his colleagues could manage.

TomPinch · 19/06/2023 22:52

Here's an example of a real skunk. This is reported by the Guardian.

Brendan Clarke-Smith, the Bassetlaw MP who had previously said he would vote against it, told Channel 4 News: “I’m not going to be voting one way or the other. I’m against the report and its recommendations.
“It’s not really right. The number of people that are in here, it’s kind of made a bit of a farce of it, I think to be honest.
“If we had a full house here and everybody was here to vote, I think you’d get a more realistic picture, but you’re not going to get that today. So really, I think I wouldn’t want to legitimise that vote today.”

What a whiner.

He's too thick to explain why he disagrees with the contents of the report.

He doesn't like the result so he's taking his ball home by not voting.

He implicitly casts doubt on the legitimacy of Parliament by his reasons for not voting. It's Parliament's role to vote on things so why the hell is he an MP?

IClaudine · 19/06/2023 22:52

Where's janiie got to? Maybe she's down the Red Lion with Clav, drowning their sorrows.

TomPinch · 19/06/2023 22:57

Brendan Clark-Smith: 2019 Conservative intake. No surprise then if he's not terribly bright and has negotiable morals.

coeurnoir · 19/06/2023 23:00

Have been following these threads but not posted because I still haven't come to terms with what happened to me and my team during 2020-2021 - while these parties were happening.

I was managing a team of scientists setting up and running the labs for testing. We were on a rota to work 24 h a day. As the one in charge I was covering 18 of those hours 7 days a week.

I had young science graduates nearly collapse with exhaustion.

Some of the nurses and doctors working alongside us, especially in ICU now have PTSD due to some of the things they saw on the wards.

Many of my staff, and I, spent hours on the wards holding the hands and comforting those who were dying because the clinical staff were needed to deal with those who might survive.

I held up phones and iPads to people on ventilators so their families could say goodbye.

I watched people my age die.

I saw my staff's mental health deteriorate daily.

I wanted to hug them, comfort them, sit next to them for a cup of tea and a cake and listen to them - but I couldn't because it was against the rules.

The Johnson apologists in these threads make me, and others like me, sick. While they joke and insult, we remember the sacrifices we made because it was the law and because we understood that to stop the virus from killing more people, we had to follow the rules and impose those rules on other people, however much we didn't want to.

BunnyBettChetwynnd · 19/06/2023 23:09

@coeurnoir I thank you from the bottom of my heart for all you and your colleagues gave and did for us during the pandemic. I can only imagine how the revelations about the partying have been an unbearable twist of the knife. Please be assured that the vast majority of us did follow the rules and were and will always be grateful for the sacrifice, skill and courage of people like you.

Imnotswallowingthat · 19/06/2023 23:14

Peregrina · 19/06/2023 22:41

It's hard to understand why six no votes are listed but Hoyle read out the number 7. There can't exactly have been a crush in the No lobby can there?

The 7th was the Labour Chief Whip who, due to the rules of the house, had to shout no in the house to force a vote. If everyone shouts “Aye” then there is no vote and the motion passes without fuss - which of course they didn’t want here. But convention dictates that if you shout No in the house when the Speaker reads out the motion then you must vote that way in the lobby. So he is recorded as a No even though he is actually an Aye in practical terms. It’s all very archaic and olde worlde.

Zonder · 19/06/2023 23:16

TomPinch · 19/06/2023 22:36

Didn't Johnson throw them under a bus?

But he did "get Brexit done"

So they say.

LorraineInSpain · 19/06/2023 23:19

Imnotswallowingthat · 19/06/2023 23:14

The 7th was the Labour Chief Whip who, due to the rules of the house, had to shout no in the house to force a vote. If everyone shouts “Aye” then there is no vote and the motion passes without fuss - which of course they didn’t want here. But convention dictates that if you shout No in the house when the Speaker reads out the motion then you must vote that way in the lobby. So he is recorded as a No even though he is actually an Aye in practical terms. It’s all very archaic and olde worlde.

He seems to have been listed as a Teller, though, and I didn’t think their votes were counted?

Zonder · 19/06/2023 23:20

Thank you for posting @coeurnoir that is such an important reminder of what was going on. We must never forget what you all went through.

But I have to ask, when did you all fit in the dancing that janiie personally saw in all the staff rooms?

TomPinch · 19/06/2023 23:23

Zonder · 19/06/2023 23:16

But he did "get Brexit done"

So they say.

Just in the worst possible way for them! As I understand it the DUP were pro-Brexit because they wanted a hard border between the North and the Republic. What they got was no border, and a sea border with the UK instead. What a bunch of chumps.

Peregrina · 19/06/2023 23:29

What a bunch of chumps.

but that couldn't have happened to a nicer bunch of people.

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