Boris stands down as MP with immediate effect part 3

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Tomorrow is the Commons vote on the Privileges Committee's findings that Boris Johnson deliberately misled Parliament over Downing Street parties during lockdown

The vote is a free vote rather than being whipped either way. Tories have been told that the vote will be a one-line whip, meaning they will not be obliged to participate.

Boris Johnson is believed to have advised his backers to not vote against it.

Michael Gove confirmed on live tv that he will abstain

Tobias Elwood has u-turned on abstaining after hearing stories from voters

Rishi Sunak, who knows

Well - and courageously- said peregrina.

So sorry @Peregrina. This must be so hard for you.

So sorry@Peregrina

I missed who this lady is? I like her.

Samantha Dixon?

Any MP who is abstaining on this should hang their head in shame. Democracy in this country has been under threat and they are refusing to fight for it. Whatever their view point, stand up and be counted.

I'm away right now so unable to watch the debate. Thank you for the updates.

Sorry for your loss . Like many people we suffered with illness and death too during the pandemic.

I can separate the 2 though. Restrictions had to be in place to prevent mixing expecially in high risk areas like hospitals. People at work were already with colleagues day in day out and nothing I have seen has shown me that Johnson was 'partying'.

Ah, OK. She seems thoughtful and well spoken.

I'm sorry for your loss Peregrina.

I think it's important for MPs to express views on behalf of their constituents - it's why we go to the ballot box.

It's also why the Prime Minister should have been in the Chamber.

The need for such an investigation should never happen again.

Peregrina, my heartfelt sympathies 💐

Have you read the Privileges Committee report Janiie?

JRM and Cash spent more time than anyone demonstrating verbal crochet.

Please try and keep a check on your hypocrisy.

Wishart really skewering Johnson.

He partied and lied @Janiie

Peregrina

nothing I have seen has shown me that Johnson was 'partying'

at some point you’re going to have to accept that your understanding of a party/social gathering is just at odds with society.

Someone of Twitter the other day said that Boris’s big problem with this is that he’s never really understood how the public see it and feel. To him it’s a silly fuss over a bit of wine and cake. But to the public it’s about betrayal. They made the effort to do the right thing and made sacrifices when the leadership did whatever they liked. He just can’t place himself in that position. Perhaps because he’s never made a sacrifice in his life. He’s not the only person on the government benches who cannot see where the public are coming from on this given this evening’s speeches.

Even abstaining from this vote shows a complete disrespect for the people of this country. there’s a reason that partygate hit home with the public in a way that none of the other lies and corruption did.

I can separate the 2 though. Restrictions had to be in place to prevent mixing expecially in high risk areas like hospitals. People at work were already with colleagues day in day out and nothing I have seen has shown me that Johnson was 'partying'.

You seem to be a little obtuse Janiie - we are not talking about the Covid restrictions, whether they were correct or not or whether Johnson partied or not. We are talking about whether Johnson lied to the House. That is the issue. I am old enough to remember Profumo, who lied to the House, resigned and spent his life doing voluntary work. But Johnson lies through his teeth, has been found out, but now hasn't got the guts to face his electorate but runs away.

People at work were already with colleagues day in day out and nothing I have seen has shown me that Johnson was 'partying

FFS - you don't get it.

You don't get the principle of meeting if need be, reducing contacts etc.

You reduce contact, minimise contact.

You don't have wine fucking Friday.

And most of all you don't lie about it.

We had people in work - we tried to reduce contact, minimal meetings, perspex screens, one way corridors, reduced numbers in the office.

We had people leave. No leaving parties.
We had birthdays. No birthday dos.
We had stressed staff - but no parties to ensure people were destressed.

Because that was what we were supposed to do.

'at some point you’re going to have to accept that your understanding of a party/social gathering is just at odds with society.'

The footage of Johnson at work, in an office with sandwiches on the table was not a party. I'll never change my mind. The whole thing has been a stitch up from start to finish. Granted the unelected folk in Xmas jumpers should've been bollocked but again, BJ wasn't there so not his fault. Why don't senior civil servants do their job and manage effectively?

I think that's right re Boris.

He doesn't show any evidence of understanding that its not how he views any of this that's important, and that he wouldn't be in this position if it weren't for the fact that the public outrank him. That their feelings of betrayal matter more than his. Let's be honest, his party would've been infinitely more inclined to go to bat for him over this, regardless of the lies, if he wasn't electorally toxic.

I said this on the last thread, but through his actions and stupidity he's managed to make himself the focus of a lot of grief and anger over general pandemic experiences. And that's why he's fucked.

"nothing I have seen has shown me that Johnson was 'partying'."

It is not about Johnson partying. He could have lived like a monk and he'd still be on the hook.

Because it's about the Prime Minister lying to the House of Commons.

He could not possibly think all guidelines were followed. He didn't follow them. Number 10 weren't wearing masks or observing social distancing or limiting meetings. Unless he'd lost all of his senses he'd be aware of all those things.

And all that is before we get to the leaving parties, birthday parties, Wine Time Fridays & drunken shenanigans within Downing Street.

Do you think that Wine Fridays was acceptable?

Do you think he knew what was going on?

Do you think he took advice and asked appropriate people if guidance was followed in Downing Street at all times so he would not mislead the House?