Major incident in Nottingham

[Childcare47]

Anyone local know what’s going on?

Looks like a huge response.

Many will still blame it on black people and immigrants whatever the underlying cause was sadly.

The third victim has been named as Ian Coates a school caretaker in his 60s

It's also unbelievable how the media seem to have approached the victim's families. I can't believe how a journalist would do that on the day their children were murdered.

It is not remotely unbelievable. Journalists feed the machine - they write and tell stories that people gobble up. Who is the machine? Well the speculative people here - and everywhere else - who make stuff up, leap to conclusions not in evidence, and love rushing to judgement about who is responsible / who is at fault / how everybody else should or could have done something better. Thread after thread after thread on this site alone - and the most cruel and callous speculation justified on the basis that it is "news" or "in the public interest". Remember the threads about Nicola Bulley? Dozens and dozens of them full of vile speculation; with MNHQ justifying the bunfights and cruelty because it is "news". And that was the tip of the iceberg - it goes on and on and on...

Journalists are not the problem - the people who demand "answers now" and who lap up every crumb to fuel their prurient fictions are.

Whilst I agree speculation is unhelpful a lot of the time according to the Times this morning the police have arrested a 31 year old male from West Africa who was here illegally. Obviously mental health issues could have been at play and if he was illegal he would presumably not have been able to access or even be entitled to any support or help.

Of course none of that helps the families of the victims. The male student who was murdered went to my DS’s old school and they lived near us and I knew the mum to say hello to from school events. I just can’t imagine what they are going through.

How much do we know about the 50 year old van owner for instance?

I just saw that he's been named. Poor man. What a terrible way to die.

Wrong quote but the same applies.

The suspect has actually been living here since a teenager legally with settled status!

@PickleIsAPlumbCat I was just reporting what the Times reported.

Nottingham has two universities, Nottingham University which both the murdered students attended and Nottingham Trent University (which I went to), neither of them are private.

Nottingham, like any city has its problems, but no, we are not full of random stabbings and shootings on any given day. We did have a gun problem, the city was known as "Shotingham" and a great deal of work was done to address this problem.

According to the BBC there's footage of him trying to climb into the window of a homeless hostel but he was chased off by the residents. That's terrifying. They were so lucky.

This morning the BBC were saying that he'd been here since he was a teenager and was legally in the country.

I think EasterIssland means private schools as both students had attended private schools.

Oh and it's not just people who are here illegally that have difficulty finding mh support, it's rarer than hen's teeth and, where it does exist, is difficult to access and generally inadequate in its delivery.

Exactly, I woke to the news alerts and family and friends who don't live here asking me what was happening. Very sad day for our city

@Peridot1

From the BBC

*"The BBC has been told by official sources the suspect was originally from West Africa but had been in the UK for "many years" and had settled status.

It is also understood the man has a history of mental health issues.

As a result, while counter-terrorism police are assisting the investigation, they are not running it.

The man did not have a criminal record, sources also said."*

@NowZeusHasLainWithLeda - there seems to be differing reports. this is the Times article.

@Peridot1 it's true different media outlets have different versions

The police haven't said anything either way about the suspects ethnicity or legal status

And didn't mention it in their most recent press conference about an hour ago

It'll all come out in the wash

I was replying to this comment from another poster. @mids2019 I didn’t know whether they were public or private to be honest I assumed because of their comment,

Does the fact that the students were young, privately educated and re relatively successful suddenly increase republic o interest?

Still an excuse. As I said above, this is simply the usual male crime.

Women don't go on rampages "because of mental health issues".

True men in particular do this, mh issues don’t have to lead to violent attacks

It’s a bit of an excuse

The common denominator to 98% of violent crime is neither skin colour or mental health issues. What an insult to the vast, vast majority of folk who struggle with racism, prejudice and lack of support services, who don’t resort to annihilating innocent people.

I care to know nothing of this violent angry man. Let the justice system (such as it is) deal with him.

Deepest sympathy to those who knew and loved the victims. They should be remembered and held in Nottingham’s thoughts.

I have a lot of colleagues who work on MH wards of varying degrees of restriction - most of them shudder much more about the sheer level of harm that the women will do to themselves in particular when in crisis. These include some fairly burly chaps who will go onto the male wards without batting an eyelid, but admit that the women’s wards are the ones they get anxious about.

Think the difference is the women are more likely to damage themselves and internalise it.