Major incident in Nottingham

[Childcare47]

Anyone local know what’s going on?

Looks like a huge response.

Have you reported them - maybe they've been missed?

I live in Nottingham and it is sadly true that there are a lot of issues with gangs in Nottingham. Have friends in the police and also one who works at QMC and many at the University, I worked at the University myself for many years.

It was the last sentence in your "factual" post that was racist though, wasn't it? (I always take screenshots of posts I report, useful for the "what did I say that was so terrible" stuff)

Nottingham folk, does anyone know whether the trams are running through today? The update on the app just talks about the issues in bulwell, so I am hoping that as the roads are open normal service will resume elsewhere on the network.

Ignore me, they have clarified now!

I think that this is the direction the police are following.

Firstly my thoughts are with the families of the victims at this time who must be under an unlikable strain.

282 people died from knife crime in 2022 in the UK. Hardly any of those deaths warranted the headlines that are occurring in the media so I think we can legitimately ask why this is a prominent news story. If an inner city going person of a poor socio economic background i is murdered then the reporting may be just be local and certainly not highlighted in the national media.

Does the fact that the students were young, privately educated and re relatively successful suddenly increase republic o interest? Is it it because a lot of us identify with being students or parents of stidents? Is this because the demographic of the victims is so beyond stereotypical victims that the heinous crime has drawn such public attnetion?

Unbearable

Sorry for the typos

It would be interesting to know how many of the 282 were gang related.

Predictably this discussion has taken a uniquely bizarre MN twist with the usual accusations of racism etc.

We do know:

That eyewitnesses state the attacker was black. This could be a precursor to both gang violence and being an immigrant, although he was not necessarily either of these;

At least one of the victims was white - which opens the possibility of a racial element;

The combined vehicle/knife attack has previously been favoured by jihadis. In fact it's quite unusual elsewhere.

The attack bears similarities to i.e. the Lee Rigby attack and people are not being unreasonable to assume similar motivations.

It's vital that we learn The Truth, and I feel some concern that the authorities will exclude relevant elements of what happened to appease i.e. religious sensitivities when these are actually highly relevant.

Unnecessary spin here. I should imagine it’s because this wasn’t ‘just’ knife crime. It was a random attack, multiple murders and also involved driving a van into people. Stop trying to discredit the victims by ascribing meaning to something that isn’t there

I agree with you.

But not everyone killed was student and going to private university
i think the shock comes from everything that happened 3 people death and 3 people run over whilst waiting on a bus stop

I think the media may have got it wrong in terms of scale of reporting. There was suspicion earlier on that this may have been a terrorist attack but if it comes down to a man with mental health issues committing horrific stabbing then although the crimes are horrific then given the scale of knife crime in the UK this may have been over reported. We have President Macron, the Prime minister, Home Secretary and Archbishop of Canterbury all express condolence. I am sure there are some that work with inner city kids involved in gang violence that are somewhat perplexed by the interest the case has brought and there may even be some that will put forward the question why some victims gain more noteworthy condolence than others.

the story screams DM headline and obviously the crime will be used in the debate about illegal immigration.

I feel too sad for the students to read about supposed DM headlines

@EasterIssland

I agree this was a shocking heinous crime in public and newsworthy. However what struck me was the level of media interest and high profile condolences which in from reality were I reality 1% of knife crime victims in the UK.

I can understand the editorial decisions made at the time but it does lead to an overall 'look ' that these crimes have taken a disproportionate news spac e? How much do we know about the 50 year old van owner for instance?

Are you seriously asking why an incident with multiple random victims at three different crime scenes that shut down a huge part of the city centre is headline news? Seriously?

And counter terrorism police are still investigating. You can have mental heal issues and still be a terrorist. They're not mutually exclusive.I don't know if it's a terrorist attack or not but regardless of whether it is or isn't I'd expect an incident like this to be big news.

How much do we know about the 50 year old van owner for instance?

Well nothing as his name has not yet been officially released. It's not uncommon for names to be withheld for some time while identities are confirmed and family and friends are notified.

It wasn't "just" knife crime, was it? He also drove a van, stolen from one of the people he murdered, into three people at a bus stop.

Our city was semi locked down, with major transport disruption, and we didn't know what had actually happened for hours. Of course it was of huge media interest.

Absolutely disagree. This is a news story because 3 bodies were found across the town centre and a van being driven at people. The whole centre closed off. Police didn’t apprehend the murderer until some time after being called to the scene. The van being driven at people was like previous terrorism events. (Not that this appears to be terrorism) It’s a huge story regardless of who the victims were and I think it’s unfair and a bit callous to start the line of “oh it’s only because they were young and middle class etc”

the story screams DM headline and obviously the crime will be used in the debate about illegal immigration.

Actually the DM are reporting the alleged murderer has been in the UK for decades and is not an illegal immigrant

It's the awful GB News who are spreading vile racist incorrect information about him

It will be better to hear the truth from the police

Why are people sticking up for the murderer