Major incident in Nottingham

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Anyone local know what’s going on?

Looks like a huge response.

I think the finger pointing and arguing needs to stop. Three people lost their life’s. At least three families life’s changed forever. Friends and loved ones are going through the most indescribable pain, waking up to a beautiful sunny day and been given the worst possible news. I think this is all people need to reflect on not unrelated gang crime or knife crime, not whether this incident was worthy of nationwide news. Let’s all respect the poor victims and wish their families, friends and loved ones love and strength to get them through these dark days. Nottingham is with you all. And I am so sorry for what happened.

@mids2019 no. You are completely and utterly wrong. What a callous cold hearted post. This is in the news because multiple people I know couldn't get to work/appointments yesterday because an entire city was closed down yesterday. Traffic completely gridlocked. All 6 main routes into Nottingham closed off in what was rush hour traffic. People woken in their beds at a bizarre time in the morning by the sirens of emergency vehicles racing to multiple scenes of devastation and horror. Did you even see the poor woman being interviewed who witnessed the van attack? Nottingham and its university have been rocked to the core by these devastating senseless attacks. THAT is why it's in the news.

Haven’t seen a single comment sticking up for the murderer.
but sticking up against those comments against immigrants.

Agree with you @BertyMyrtle!

Such a sad story.

It's sadly predictable how this will be spun and it seems that Twitter is giving prominence to certain accounts that are focusing on "what they believe to be the status of the suspect" although it looks like they may have jumped to conclusions given what's been reported.

It's also unbelievable how the media seem to have approached the victim's families. I can't believe how a journalist would do that on the day their children were murdered.

RIP

Well, a poster on this thread claims her Uncle Fred sold him the van. 🙄 Maybe we should ask her.

I think people are sadly going to have to get used to the fact that racism is on the rise in the UK.We are in a perfect storm for this to happen. Even the most tolerant and reasonable people I know are questioning things. People judge,naturally so and whilst racism is mainly fear based in my opinion and not a good thing I think with the way things are in our country at present the nation is struggling and this gives rise to all sorts of weird emotions.lack of tolerance and possibly misguided concerns. We knew yesterday of this tragedy, we also knew early on that the police and media were doing their very best to dodge the facts of it being caused by an individual who was known and violent, the public arent stupid they know what they are not being told, covering facts or trying to leads directly to the points I made above for some people I think. We live in uncertain times and when the country is unsettled generally it becomes dangerous and gives rise to many different fears that then spill over negatively. I wouldnt have censored the racist posts however unpalatable because not dealing with them in a positive way makes it worse,it keeps the frustration alive and thats never a good thing.

Also agree.
The murderer didn't attack them because of their colour, bank accounts or age. He murdered them because they were there.

@NowZeusHasLainWithLeda no I don’t think it was. I said we have 12000 criminals from abroad that have not been deported after serving their prison sentences and the country would be a lot safer if they had been deported. I stand by that. It’s a common sense. Let’s see about this killers history, as I said previously I will eat my hat if this is the first time this man has been violent. He should not have been in this country if he is a risk to the population. I can’t emigrate to Australia as I’m two years too old, they don’t think it would be a benefit to them. Fair enough. But in the U.K. if you are a criminal and pose threat to the population you are allowed to stay. Bad system if you ask me.

It’s difficult to see those posts

@Hehehejeiej again, very well said.

Just had to drive across town and my usual route is still blocked so I’ve had to cut round the edge of the city centre. It’s like a ghost town - hardly anyone walking around there.

Trams appear to be running at least on the outskirts of town now too

No one knew who the victims were when it was first reported, including the media. It was an emergent situation of which had several unusual elements, hence the heightened interest. The prevelance of knife crime in some communities is a completely different conversation.

It's been reported this morning that he had no criminal history, having lived here since he was a teen. The much more likely explanation is that he was known to police due to his mental health history and hasn't been able to access the necessary support in our crumbling and shit mental health NHS provision. Let's be very real here, if he was reported to be a white immigrant from Australia you wouldn't be assuming he might have a violent, criminal past for which he'd been imprisoned for and should have been deported; the latter are all assumptions you're making as its been reported where he's from.

Why are people sticking up for the murderer

Yes, this is the U.K. in 2023. I can’t bear to be here anymore. A society with a new tendency siding with criminals.

@mids2019 you are a big part of the problem.

@Fallenties and you. What a disgrace.

Perhaps it's more that people also don't want to tolerate stereotypes and assumptions being made by the colour of someone's skin or where they're from? That's not a decent society either. I don't think anyone is siding with him, just against presuming he's a terrorist because he's reportedly black, or assuming he must have a string of violent offenses because he's a migrant, or that someone struggling with their mental health has any real hope of accessing help here. The stigma around all of those are damaging, and it's nothing to do with excusing what he did or being on his side; that's just a a pathetic excuse for shutting down conversation that doesn't agree with bigotry. Of course there is a conversation around certain issues that should be had, but it doesn't mean people should just be tolerant to discrimination.

It's abhorrent what he did and I hope regardless of MH issues he feels the full force of the law, which he will. I just don't feel one man's unexceptable violence should be used to inflict further stigma to others.

@Fallenties i would assume anyone, regardless of nationality of origin that kills three people has a criminal past. Most men do not go from peaceful person to murder without a history of violence. If an Australian had gone on a killing spree I bloody would assume he had a violent past and should be deported.

My point still stands, if he’s been here from his teens and has mental health issues and known to the police why is he here? People are deported from America for smoking weed, denies a visa as they have MS. Countries have rules about who will be beneficial to the society. We may not always like it, but that’s just how it is.

I have to ask, would you want a violent person in your home?

@Fallenties Facts are facts. Even if people get offended. Look at the numbers but funny those threats get reported very quickly. I will let you to built your utopia here. Let’s see how that goes.

So sad, thinking of their families and friends and the community no doubt so deeply affected by something like this.

I'm not sure why people intent on spreading bigotry wouldn't start a separate thread to discuss the larger issue rather than taint this thread with assumptions and political viewpoints.

I agree. The real issue is who you allow into your country. I don't know anything about the killer. Maybe he was born here. But if he came here as a migrant, then questions should be asked. Was he known to have a history of violence? Was he known to have mental health problems?

Immigration isn't the problem. It's who you let in. There are plenty of white British people I wouldn't want in my country. Some of those ignorant chavs who move to Spain, urinate and fight in the street, don't bother to learn the language, etc, sicken me. I wouldn't blame the Spanish for wanting them deported. (Obviously I'm not saying that all the Brits who move to Spain are like that). It's perfectly natural to control who moves into your area, whether it's a small village or a nation state or a vast empire. If you let in violent, ignorant, mentally ill people, they are going to make your area worse. If you let in civilized, educated, highly skilled people, they will enrich it. It's simple.

@JaneyGee yes, this 💯

The amount of people who should have been deported and call back to stay last minute. Again even educated people like activist lawyers siding with criminals.

I don't disagree that there should be more done and I haven't said the system is without flaw. What I don't think is fair is people making all sorts of assumptions in this particular case when we don't know much at all except a line the DM has published. It's a separate conversation imo or at least one for when the police release more info.

This is what I was coming here to say. I think it's a reflection of the lack of support and care given to people with mental health issues in this country. I've been personally touched by the impact of MH, I am fortunate to have been able to scrape together resources to fund private care for the person affected, but very few people are. As a society we need to be more proactive and preventative with all of our healthcare to protect our whole society.
A healthy society is a productive society, taking care of everybody properly benefits everybody in our society and our country as a whole. The situation in Nottingham is a graphic, visceral representation of how, when we don't care for individuals in crisis, the ripple effect can be huge and devastating.