Boris stands down as MP with immediate effect part 2

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New thread!

Moving on, it seems clear that the privilege the public have allowed parliament to have, in being allowed to settle their own affairs has been grievously abused.

It's hard to see any reason why it should continue.

I heard someone saying on the radio that Churchill led people through a crisis whilst Johnson misled people through a crisis.

Boris Johnson breaks ministerial code with new Daily Mail job
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65930008

The comments section in the Daily Mail is scathing about his appointment.

https://twitter.com/peterwalker99/status/1669748962268524553?s=20

Reader comments under Boris Johnson's Mail article are being pre-moderated, and in the near-hour since it was published, precisely four have made the cut.

I have been turned onto the Star today.
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/boris-johnson-officially-lying-wazzock-30247269

You do realise that you can take precautions, accept risks and still catch a disease.

So - you might accept that it's ok to have face to face meetings if it's important they have to be face to face but you won't have parties etc because you don't need to have them.

So you are reducing the exposure but accepting that there are times you might be exposed to it. Just ensuring you reduce the risks.

Seems he should have told someone that he was going to be a columnist.

He's broken the Ministerial Code on new job appointments

Absolutely. About as low as Johnson's. And the use of the emojis says a lot.

I get all that but your patronising tone is quite upsetting. Starting with 'You do realise' is always a turn off. You know you're doing it. You're trying to belittle me. Pure and simple. I'm not a Boris Johnson cheerleader. I'm a centre right Remainer.

No - you don't get that

This was your response to risk assessments

derxa · Yesterday 14:41
cakeorwine · Yesterday 14:27

I take it @Janiie understands the principles of risk assessment?

"ok - we can't really stop people having lunch together and we can tolerate that but we don't need people having non essential meetings, or events such as birthday parties ,leaving dos and Wine Fridays."

Why were so many politicians and advisors catching Covid if they were working safely? Keir Starmer and Chris Whitty for two

I said that we can tolerate certain things and then you said that why were so many politicians and advisors catching Covid?

So 2 things:

1. People were going to catch it but were reducing their risk / time when they might catch it as they were using a risk assessment to reduce exposure but you can't eliminate exposure

2. There would probably have been much more exposure, potentially more serious exposure if no risk assessment and no exposure strategies were done.

You asked why so many politicians were catching Covid if they were working safely.

It depends how safe they were working but viruses will get through.

Which I should imagine - as a farmer - you know that. You can't eliminate risk but you can significantly reduce that.

So your question was a strange one to ask.

Just to follow this up:

Working safely.

You can't say to someone they are working safely or unsafely. - it's not binary. You can say you've put in a lot of precautions to reduce risk - or you can look at someone and say - well, you are 99% certain to have an accident doing things that way.

So as a farmer - you should know that, and I am surprised you asked such a question.

So as a farmer - you should know that, and I am surprised you asked such a question. Why do you speak to me as if I am a child? I never use personal attack on MN and I've been on here for years name unchanged. I just don't totally agree with you. That's it Boris Johnson isn't reading all of this and wouldn't give a flying fuck if he did. But it seems that the point of many threads is to make posters feel lesser. And you succeed.

She's quoting from the report. She puts things in the report to the person who has come there to be interviewed about it. That is sensible, moderate and responsible journalism. It's not her fault that he blatantly hasn't read it. The interesting thing is that the interviewee nowhere suggests that the facts put to him are wrong.

Because you asked a question that you should have known the answer to?

Why ask such a question?

Unless you didn't realise that people can take precautions and still catch a disease?

You did realise that?

*derxa · Yesterday 14:41

Why were so many politicians and advisors catching Covid if they were working safely? Keir Starmer and Chris Whitty for two*

Why do you think?

Face it, habitual lying is an essential job requirement for people writing for the Mail. Being found officially guilty of repeatledy lying to Parliament must have been the equivalent of a glowing reference so far as they are concerned.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-partygate-privileges-committee-b2358924.html

Why were so many politicians and advisors catching Covid if they were working safely? Keir Starmer and Chris Whitty for two

I'm sorry, but this is such a silly question. As has been said, Chris Whitty did work on hospital wards. Keir Starmer, like other politicians, would have had more direct interactions than many others. And of course some people have better immune systems than others. There's 4 of us in my family. Two have had COVID twice. One has had it once (me). One has still not had it at all. All fully vaccinated and living broadly similar lives in broadly similar environments.

From that article:
Social distancing and mask-wearing were not enforced and regular parties – including birthday bashes, “wine-time Fridays” – continued during lockdown.
The former official said Mr Johnson was “happy for people to be drinking” even though he mostly drank water himself. “He wanted to be part of the party … The idea he saw nothing is total nonsense – there is no way he didn’t know they were going on.”
“There were so many parties,” said the ex-official. “Senior staff often stayed all night, sleeping under desks. One colleague was so drunk he was found passed out on the stairs.”

The whistleblower said they remain “angry” at the rule-breaking culture. “We were all ill, all of the time, I had multiple chest infections and Covid twice. I asked a senior colleague why we weren’t wearing masks inside early on, and she said ‘There’s no point, I’ve seen the science’.
“Police were hunting people down using drones to catch them out walking with friends having a coffee, people were separated at funerals, I saw footage of people’s goodbye messages from hospital – all following rules set in this building. It was embarrassing.”

So - what was the risk assessment for Downing Street and how was it enforced?

And what about Johnson's neigbour, Sunak?

Did he realise what was going on next door?

Good question.

She should ask for a refund on her psychobabble degree tbh, this is utter nonsense.

There isn't a cult like devotion, people can't 'see themselves in him', they aren't 'defending their own shortcomings'.

Again, he was ousted after non stop smear campaigns. Many people can see this ridiculous stitch up and after impartial Sue's impartial report where a vocal Johnson critic was an advisor we then have the privileges committe led by someone who had also been a vocal Johnson critic. It would be laughable if it wasn't all so concerning.

A 'whistle blower' 🙄. No doubt a Labour activist civil servant who was leading the civil servant's Friday piss ups.

Wine Fridays were taking place.

I wonder what they were like?

I wonder what the risk assessment was like for Downing Street?