Boris stands down as MP with immediate effect part 2

[IClaudine]

New thread!

That bloke turns out to be UKIP candidate for Chester

I don’t think there is a conspiracy beyond a bonded group of people who have done very well, in terms of status and finances, and who now can’t quite comprehend that perhaps their ego isn’t enough to convince everyone they should do as like regardless of consequences or convention. They’ve believed their own hype essentially.

To revise their stance now is an admission to themselves they’re not everything they believe they are.

Supporters are trickier, but I would happily guess that most of it comes down to ego again. Arguments against what they believe have been too visible for too long for them to accept any change in stance. Doubling down in extreme because apparently changing your mind in the face of evidence is more humiliating and shameful than continuing to give your integrity to a group of people who couldn’t give two shits about you and have lied and screwed you over as much as the person who is telling you that.

I think psychology over conspiracy explains most of the phenomenon.

Now they need to suspend every single MP who have called the committee a kangaroo court. Every single one of them. Time to bring back standards

I was quite an enthusiastic supported of the Fixed Term Parliament act, and viewed criticism of it in discussion as the fear of those that benefit from the status quo.

Having seem it in action (or possibly it's inaction 😀) I am more than happy to admit that a) I was wrong, and b) the criticisms debated were very valid, and that my scepticism was from bias.

One of my young adult sons used to be quite keen on 'Boris' solely based on his appearances in HIGNFY

Shall we say the scales have fallen from his eyes since

Nonetheless I think HIGNFY significantly contributed to the 'relatable' 'man of the people' nonsense which still persists for some people despite all evidence to the contrary

The people I know who continue to support things and people that have long since been proven to be a crock have two thing in common.

Firstly, they think the world is out to get them.

So when you say Brexit/Johnson/Trump/Whatever is proven disaster they don't think, hmmm, maybe this person is right - I'll think this through. They think, 'why is this person saying this about the one reliable point in my life?' 'Why are they trying to undermine the thing in which I have invested all my faith in this dangerous world full of people out to get me?' 'What's their motive?'

Any reconsideration exposes them to a dangerous world of new people, ideas and concepts and that's hard work.

Secondly, to protect themself in this dangerous world (of conspiracy theories) they had taught themselves to always be the one in the right, the one who has seen through the lies.

To back down on any argument brings that safe wall crumbling down. They know best. Any data or evidence is dismissed as it comes from a lower sourse i.e. not them.

I first saw Johnson on Question Time when he was mayor. I thought he was a complete twat. He was arrogant, interrupted everyone, spoke over everyone. It was very obvious that the only voice that mattered to him was his own.

The people I know who continue to support things and people that have long since been proven to be a crock have two thing in common.

The thing is we need stupid people like this. Who else would buy timeshares ? Who else would continue to put money on lame horses despite losing every bet in a day ? Who else would send someone their life savings based on an email ? Who else would continue to put a 48-pack of Weetabix in their trolley when 2x24 are half price (and tell a 6 year old who pointed this out to "fuck off") and thus subsidise my shopping ?

If your life plan involves getting rich, you need stupid people.

Wouldn't this be amazing? A clean sweep of parliament getting rid of so many people who have trashed this country to line their own and their friends pockets.

It's insane that a committee is set up by the previous PM, that they've studied all the evidence and reached a conclusion, and now the MPs get to decide whether they like it or not!

April 2021. Starmer says Johnson has deliberately misled parliament and quotes the ministerial code. "I'll leave it there for now"

https://twitter.com/Politics_co_uk/status/1387364614116052992?s=20

It really is but this characterises the current government completely. It’s a continuous cycle of narrative talking about how everyone’s against them and if anything goes wrong it’s someone else fault yet when looked at objectively they’ve got pretty much everything they wanted and it’s been a complete skip fire.

I’m not sure if Boris is the cause or simply a large cog in a bigger machine but it’s undeniable that he galvanises the section given to wailing about how anything negative is a personal vendetta.

And his reaction isn’t surprising given what we already know about Johnson and how his government have tried to shut down or remove power from anything that holds government to account.

It turns out there are still some checks and balances left even if they were slow to kick in. It was beginning to look worryingly like there weren’t any.

Given my mp kicked this can as far down the road as possible and is incapable of doing the right thing when it counts, or even making a decision, I suspect she will be absent from parliament on Monday.
I might just write to her in the meantime.

He lied to Parliament and to the country.

If some people think that's acceptable and his sanction is a "stitch up" it says something about them - and it isn't intelligence.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Johnson turn up as a UKIP or Reform candidate somewhere.

Absolutely. However that would require Sunak to demonstrate evidence of a backbone.

Does it matter? if you brought every MP before a committee for lying everyone would be found to be a liar 😂

So you haven't quite grasped why it matters when the PM stands up in the Commons and lies to everyone?

The sanction is greater because of breaching confidentiality and the threatening words towards the committee. The latter should result in the police being contacted by those whom he has threatened.

Welcome to MN btw, ChezzD.

I've just had coffee with my friend who's a psychologist, I asked her what her thoughts are on why some have this cult like devotion to Johnson and seem to blindly defend him. She said it's actually quite simple, they identify with him because they see themselves in him. If he's dishonourable they'd have to accept that they are too. They're not defending Johnson's shortcomings, they're defending their own.

For our visitor

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainer/misleading-parliament-correcting-record#:~:text=Many%20MPs%20and%20ministers%20do,order%27%20in%20the%20Commons%20chamber.

It would be funny if he did, particularly if he chose a Tory Brexit seat and split the vote enough to let Labour or the Lib Dems in. I think he probably won't be arsed though, especially not as he'd almost certainly lose.

Interesting...
I'd agree that there is a lot of transference & projection going on.
Johnson says what some people would like to but daren't.