Mum sentenced to 28 months in prison for abortion pills

[mumoftwobarnyboys]

Used after the cut off point of 10 weeks.

Regardless of how far gone she was, surely this isn't right?

It is her body, despite me morally really thinking what she did was very wrong.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/12/woman-in-uk-jailed-for-28-months-over-taking-abortion-pills-after-legal-time-limit?CMP=twtgu&utmmsource=Twitter&utmmedium=&s=08#Echobox=1686577294

I really really hope so they're just trolling. Or maybe out of touch with reality and approaching the topic from a theoretical standpoint. That's probably why they keep ignoring specific questions around upto which week exactly is ok, whether after dilution or in hospital is ok, whether half out half in are ok... Also not wanting to hear about methods involved, dismemberment, suction, lethal injections. The fact baby has a nervous system and can feel at 25 weeks. How tf do they think it happens I don't know.

You haven't answered if you think hcps should be made to terminate a 39 week old because mother wants it for whatever, or if you would do the termination yourself of a healthy baby for 'reasons'.

At 39 weeks a woman has to give birth to that foetus. Why should anyone kill it first? Makes no difference to the woman.

Just what week exactly? 5 mins before birth is ok? You keep avoiding the question.

You'd be surprised how many people would abort based on gender.

Currently if you want a abortion past 20wks in Scotland you get referred to a clinic in England. i wonder if thats because of unwilling hcp?

I'm not sure what question people think I'm avoiding?

I don't believe women choose to abort an almost term baby for no good reason & I would always trust the woman's judgement - it's her body and she should always have full bodily autonomy, no matter what!

@Gothambutnotahamster the question is.
WOULD YOU CARRY OUT THE 'ABORTION' OF A 39 WEEKER YOURSELF AND DO YOU THINK HCPS SHOULD BE COMPELLED TO CARRY OUT THESE 'WHIM'.ABORTIONS.?

Or you could cover their nose and mouth after a water birth? Because if they haven’t breathed it’s ok?

Quite @RedRosette2023 whatever 'mum' wants innit...

The current laws look really sensible.

I call troll

“I would always trust a woman’s judgement”

utter tosh, women have not always made the best judgements about things in the past, in the present and in the future. We’re not some angels of no wrong doing

Poor judgement is what got the lady into the mess in the first place. Not sure why every woman's judgement should be trusted.

You also only have to look around the world to see abortions would requested based on the sex of the baby. Not a good reason imo.

I’m not sure we ever got an answer to the question of whether the paramedics were wrong to seek to revive the baby without mother’s permission either.
we seem to be trying to arrogate a hell of a lot of power to ourselves here, people - literally, the power of life and death. Are we really that special? Not sure ..

Seems to be if anyone other than mother has an opinion it's controlling, Orwellian.
If the "birther" (only 1 side uses that term).wants to kill a healthy baby it's 'go girl! End that parasite, you got the power! 👐'

It’s was me who didn’t want to hear about dismemberment, I just find it incredibly distressing. I have posted repeatedly about how l do not support this woman’s actions.

Someone on another post made the point that the woman can end a pregnancy sure - by giving birth to the baby even if it’s early she could be offered a c section. Ending the pregnancy doesn’t have to mean killing the baby.

and I do think that if you’ve got to 32 weeks, don’t want a baby and still not sorted yourself an abortion then yes, you should have to keep it alive and give birth to the baby. I’m pretty ok with the woman’s rights over her body being balanced against the baby’s life, which she chose to keep until a very late stage.

again this doesn’t apply to any late term abortions for medical reasons - obviously

Or you could cover their nose and mouth after a water birth? Because if they haven’t breathed it’s ok?

Still attached to the placenta so dependent on the mother. Not breathed air so not a 'life'.

Oh and let's not forget, no child should be unwanted so if the mother doesn't want to raise it, death is a valid option even past viability.

I doubt anyone will come back to answer that scenario though.

I'm not a troll. You can disagree all you want, but I am 100% not a troll.

I've already said I don't know about HCPs - I would hope they'd behave professionally and get on with the job in hand, but as can be seen from this thread alone, it's a very emotive subject & I'd struggle to force anyone to do something they felt strongly against.

I've never said women are perfect or don't make mistakes, but I honestly don't think any woman goes through 39 weeks of pregnancy to then abort, so I would always err on the side of supporting the woman and her right to choose.

That's a totally different scenario and no one of advocating killing a live baby.

She had months to chose , no one made her carry that baby for 32-34 weeks and no one stopped her from having an abortion within the legal time frame

Her choices were down to herself, including the prison sentence because she pleaded guilty so late

Yeah......because the world is full of women looking to play the system and end late term pregnancies

Ffs.

I've never said women are perfect or don't make mistakes, but I honestly don't think any woman goes through 39 weeks of pregnancy to then abort, so I would always err on the side of supporting the woman and her right to choose.

We were also told nobody waits til late, yet we have a case of someone waiting til 32 - 34 weeks right in front of us!

She had a right to choose and didn't use it, that's the bottom line. No we don't have to trust people who clearly can't be trusted.

Not a different scenario, baby still attached to placenta and not having taken a breath.

Yeah......because the world is full of women looking to play the system and end late term pregnancies
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Ffs.*

That's one way of saying you don't have an answer. I never mentioned anything about statistics so not sure what you mean there.