Boris stands down as MP with immediate effect

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Just breaking now on BBC.

Same day as Nadine.

It doesn't matter what we did.

It doesn't change what he did.

Christ I've said this before but I wasn't allowed to have a cup of coffee with my colleagues inside until Junne 2022. In the health service, yes people left/ retired before then we met outside and socially distanced. That is what the majority of essential workers did. The behaviour in number is a travesty.

Your full of typos, number 10

I find it interesting that because the Johnsons lived above the shop it was impossible for Carrie to avoid ‘work place gatherings’ but that as soon as these gatherings became raucous, the Johnsons were nowhere to be seen and completely oblivious.

Not clear where the Abba party fits into all of this.

We had people leave work, one of whom retired after working for a long time. No leaving do. One person had to isolate and missed their last day so just seemed to disappear. We also had people disciplined for having a cup of coffee together when they were in separate bubbles so shouldn't have been mixing. That's what it was like in workplaces that weren't 10 Downing Street.

...and this is the really reason Sunak is fighting to stop all media etc being sent to the covid inquiry, these messages will show that minister and others were not focused on CV at all, just a nice big jolly on population control, whilst they showed none.

Plus if they get Bojo's messages, then they can ask for everyone else's too.....

I think a key reason for the suspension is that even if Johnson didn’t notice the wine on the walls, the broken swing, the lingering smell of sick, Johnson did not take sufficient steps to find out what had happened before briefing Parliament and deliberately misrepresented what he had been told by officials.

My thoughts are people that worked with him wanted to celebrate that we were getting through the pandemic and he was the PM that managed it for the U.K. Not in a thank you sort of way but more just light relief. It didn’t look like a party to me either.
He’d had Covid and so had others and they were all pretty socially distanced from the public at large by the nature of their jobs.

We had people that never left their houses and people driving miles for SD walks. We had people going to the supermarket as often as the wanted and people that made an effort to go less. People did what they thought minimised risk and I don’t think the government did anything different to the rest of us.

Boris had lost his mum and didn’t visit or do an illegal funeral. That would have been taking the piss.

Some workplaces.

Excellent point

I wonder if the few people still desperately arguing the case that he didn't attend any parties, or take the absolute piss with the rules he made, would like to sit in a room with someone who couldn't say goodbye to their dying loved one and tell them it wasn't a party or it was just something to boost morale or say 'everyone was doing it' - because quite obviously everyone was not taking the piss.

People were dealing with unimaginable grief and sadness and for those who couldn't kiss their loved ones for their final goodbye to have to listen to the lying buffoon bluster his way through his defence must be hell.

I wonder if they would then manage to find a shred of empathy and compassion for others as by defending this man it shows they have very little.

It says a lot about a person as to which side of the argument they fall on with regard to this man.

Christ Boris lost his to Covid mother too.

So maybe you'd think he would have more respect for the thousands of others who did too?

I think posters who argue the toss do it for fun.

I don't think sitting opposite anyone they'd say the same tbh. I don't think anyone could be that self unaware.

Problem is that they forget that words on a screen also have the impact on those same posters who suffered this.

There was a lady on Any Answers a week and a bit a go, whose daughter died alone, having been told that she was not allowed to travel to be there with her.

Anyone who believe in the well its ok other people did it nonsense, need to listen to what she had to say.

In his committee hearing:

"Asked whether there was a degree of recklessness, Johnson disagrees and says it was his genuine understanding and belief that there were no problems with these events."

How could he and the other people in Downing Street not have been aware of how people in other workplaces were behaving?

Boris is a nasty peice of work. He now has the cheek to try and destabilise the government because he doesn’t like the report. He’s hoping to trigger a general election and hide in the chaos

No mention of that, just she died suddenly and peacefully in Sept 2021., she had had Parkinsons for the best part of 40 years.

Funerals weren't illegal and restrictions were based on the venue, not absolute numbers by Sept 21.

We lost my mother in law on the day of one of the parties. If I didn't think Johnson was the worst PM ever before, that certainly helped convince me. We couldn't go and see her in hospital and my husband never got to say goodbye.

I still don't get this as a defence.

Johnson is effectively saying that he, the Prime Minister and all his staff are too stupid to understand the laws they introduced. Surely that's not a good look?

Everyone could have stretched the rules a bit/interpreted them to their own benefit. However the reason that so many didn’t, at great personal cost, is that we thought we that our behaviour mattered.

Our behaviour DID matter

Boris seems convinced that things like leaving dos with suitcases full of booze were reasonably necessary for work purposes because they allegedly helped keep up morale. The morale of people working within no. 10 would have to have been incredibly low for that to be necessary; people working in all sorts of extremely stressful jobs managed to keep going without these functions.

Johnson is effectively saying that he, the Prime Minister and all his staff are too stupid to understand the laws they introduced. Surely that's not a good look?

Not just that, but that they had no knowledge of how other people were behaving, which is, if nothing else, relevant to understanding the data and deciding policy.

Yes - well said - our behaviour did matter but those who made the rules regarding our behaviour didn't seem to understand this.