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StormShadow · 17/06/2023 08:51

Fucking hell what has he done now?

Efacsen · 17/06/2023 09:22

StormShadow · 17/06/2023 08:51

Fucking hell what has he done now?

More of the same I'd guess?

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Notonthestairs · 17/06/2023 09:23

Actually I think that is bollocks - a fig leaf for Sunak to retain as much control of the material as possible & minimise what he sends to Hallett.

I doubt Johnson followed protocols - I doubt he read protocols - but I do t have a lot of faith in the Cabinet Office (Dowden, Case etc) and its willingness to do right by the Inquiry.

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Notonthestairs · 17/06/2023 09:35

🧵 from Alex Wickham

NEW: @BloombergUK Saturday read

Gloom descended on Rishi Sunak’s Downing Street this week

Tories fear the Boris Johnson saga, rising interest rates and an increasingly likely 2024 recession have further closed their already very narrow path to victory

twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1669978152062312448?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

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Roussette · 17/06/2023 09:52

That's an interesting but depressing twitter thread

I see more 'stop the boats' rhetoric coming to shore up what support they have left

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Notonthestairs · 17/06/2023 10:18

Yes it made for gloomy reading. It doesn't bode for the immediate future and frankly as a country I think we are all pretty frazzled as it is.

Decent reminder here that Johnson was boxed in by Starmer. I had quite forgotten their exchanges.

Starmer’s cross-examinations, which elicited the responses recorded by the privileges committee, means partygate is not solely a story of self-destruction, writes @JoshSelf

https://twitter.com/politicscoo_uk/status/1669734803434885121?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

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itsgettingweird · 17/06/2023 10:37

Notonthestairs · 17/06/2023 10:18

Yes it made for gloomy reading. It doesn't bode for the immediate future and frankly as a country I think we are all pretty frazzled as it is.

Decent reminder here that Johnson was boxed in by Starmer. I had quite forgotten their exchanges.

Starmer’s cross-examinations, which elicited the responses recorded by the privileges committee, means partygate is not solely a story of self-destruction, writes @JoshSelf

https://twitter.com/politicscoo_uk/status/1669734803434885121?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

I always said at the time Johnson needs to remember the leader of the opposition isn't just that - but a top lawyer with a forensic mind.

For Johnson it was a debate in the Eton school common room, televised and a popularity contest. One of "he who shouts loudest".

It was never going to be enough - and was never going to be his winning move.

Starmer was always going to be able to trip Johnson up in a sentence because he could just calmly keep giving him rope! And all the time he was called boring etc.

Well I want boring. I want prices to go down. I want forensic. I want calm and collected and someone dedicated to the cause and not a showboat man.

Roussette · 17/06/2023 10:40

What an article @Notonthestairs
No Captain Hindsight, but Admiral Foresight...

Of course, the primary individual responsible for Johnson’s downfall is Johnson himself — of that there can be no doubt. But Starmer’s cross-examinations, which elicited the responses recorded by the privileges committee, means partygate is not solely a story of self-destruction. Johnson’s downfall is equally a tale of political victory for his bête noire, Keir Starmer: a flawed PM exposed by a forensic lawyer

Let the Johnson cheerleaders come on and call him Zippy, boring, a snoozefest, a ragtag opposition leader. He nailed it back then, and it's all recorded in Hansard for the benefit of the Privileges Committee.

I am shocked at this...
In total, the privileges committee cites 34 key occasions when Johnson spoke in the House of Commons on the matter of Covid compliance in No 10.

I knew he kept insisting that 'all rules were followed' but bloody hell... 34 times Shock

pointythings · 17/06/2023 10:40

I see more 'stop the boats' rhetoric coming to shore up what support they have left

Look, I'm all for a good black pun, but that is just too bad. 😂

I also want boring. I want boring, competent, capable, calm, sensible.

Roussette · 17/06/2023 10:42

I always said at the time Johnson needs to remember the leader of the opposition isn't just that - but a top lawyer with a forensic mind

For Johnson it was a debate in the Eton school common room, televised and a popularity contest. One of "he who shouts loudest".

Yes yes yes to this. Along with continual name calling and stupid nicknames for KS, cheered on by his braying back benchers.

jgw1 · 17/06/2023 10:57

pointythings · 17/06/2023 10:40

I see more 'stop the boats' rhetoric coming to shore up what support they have left

Look, I'm all for a good black pun, but that is just too bad. 😂

I also want boring. I want boring, competent, capable, calm, sensible.

Competent is what we need in our leaders. If we want entertainment we can always watch the cricket.

Saucery · 17/06/2023 11:05

God yes, I want boring too. Some policies to disagree with and perhaps lobby to change, but more or less honest people applying those policies fairly with nothing in it for them or their mates would be wonderful

AdamRyan · 17/06/2023 11:06

Thats a great article.
I'm a total Starmer fangirl - never voted Labour before (and I'm 48) but I'll vote for him. I think he's a great leader - he's sorted our labour from the mess Corbyn left. And I see lots of indications (like that article) that he's a strategic thinker. Really looking forward to see8ng what their manifesto is at GE time

itsgettingweird · 17/06/2023 11:13

Saucery · 17/06/2023 11:05

God yes, I want boring too. Some policies to disagree with and perhaps lobby to change, but more or less honest people applying those policies fairly with nothing in it for them or their mates would be wonderful

This.

People misunderstand a change of governance for wanting a party we can hang off of with admiration.

I'm centric so I always have policy on both sides I agree with.

But what I want is competent and honest and a feeling that I can challenge policy properly.

Sadly having had Braverman as an MP for years I've also not been able to do this locally as she ignores emails she doesn't like.

DuncinToffee · 17/06/2023 12:03

I just listened to the Newsagents podcast, the had CDO chair and Johnson defender David Bannerman on.

He has now tweeted that Johnson's treatment is breach of the ECHR

Ofcourse he is in favour of leaving the ECHR when it comes to immigrants.

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Notonthestairs · 17/06/2023 12:16

DuncinToffee · 17/06/2023 12:03

I just listened to the Newsagents podcast, the had CDO chair and Johnson defender David Bannerman on.

He has now tweeted that Johnson's treatment is breach of the ECHR

Ofcourse he is in favour of leaving the ECHR when it comes to immigrants.

That is v funny.

I've just listened to the Friday newsagents and it's astonishing how much news has been overshadowed by Johnson and his cronies. Sunak must be pleased.

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Kiwano · 17/06/2023 12:36

I heard a Sunak supporter the other day bemoaning the way Johnson is distracting everyone who said that what the government should be concentrating on was Labour policies. Seemed rather revealing to me - he couldn't conceive of the government having policies of its own that it concentrates on.

tobee · 17/06/2023 13:52

"Competent is what we need in our leaders. If we want entertainment we can always watch the cricket."

Yay! Cricket! 2 in 2 Broady! GrinGrin

StormShadow · 17/06/2023 16:37

Notonthestairs · 17/06/2023 10:18

Yes it made for gloomy reading. It doesn't bode for the immediate future and frankly as a country I think we are all pretty frazzled as it is.

Decent reminder here that Johnson was boxed in by Starmer. I had quite forgotten their exchanges.

Starmer’s cross-examinations, which elicited the responses recorded by the privileges committee, means partygate is not solely a story of self-destruction, writes @JoshSelf

https://twitter.com/politicscoo_uk/status/1669734803434885121?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

I'd forgotten all about Starmer saying that. It's fascinating to rewatch, seeing him lay that trap. I wonder exactly how much he knew at the time? Obviously we were all aware of how the Tories were going to react to any suggestion of rulebreaking amongst their own, thanks to the Cummings affair, so I can see that Labour would be able to fill in the blanks in theoretical terms. But I mean whether he had an inkling that there'd be more to come out.

Piggywaspushed · 17/06/2023 17:08

New strike dates announced for schools after Keegan refused to negotiate or publish findings of STRB. 5th and 7th July.

DuncinToffee · 17/06/2023 17:10

AdamRyan · 17/06/2023 17:03

And Dawn Butler

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