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HelenaBellena · 08/06/2023 06:43

Again this is in the news with him getting a restraining order. I always thought Alice was nuts but I've been reading that Ioan isn't as nice as he makes out. And those silly staged pics of him and his girlfriend.

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garlicandsapphires · 08/06/2023 17:41

NotSoBigCrocodile · 08/06/2023 17:32

Also, if Ioan was the woman and Alice the man in all of this, it would be perceived very differently.

That is bullshit.

If a woman:

• left the family home, citing abuse, but leaving the children behind
• leaves the children with her abusive, drunken ex to go to work on another continent for a few months
• announces a new partner on social media whilst on that work trip
• brings said partner back from work trip to immediately move in with them
• doesn’t pursue contact with the children via the courts for an entire year, but manages to (1) go to court for a restraining order and (2) manages to go on multiple holidays with their new partner (which is plastered all over their partner’s social media)
• when they finally decide to seek contact, cancelled the first two contact sessions to go on holiday with their partner
• despite the children not wishing to meet the new partner, ignores their wishes and forces them into a volatile situation with new partner

If a woman did all of that, she would be crucified.

Alice wouldn’t let him have the children. It’s all documented in her own words in the court documents that served as enough evidence to be awarded a five year domestic violence restraining order.

Plus she had a full time nanny.

Stalkedbyzombies · 08/06/2023 17:43

I don't think she is perceived negatively across the board. She is an easy target because she wears her heart on her sleeve and doesn't have an edit button. The emotions expressed are in line with what a lot of people in acrimonious split situations may be feeling but may never communicate publicly.

Vivi0 · 08/06/2023 17:48

garlicandsapphires · 08/06/2023 17:41

Alice wouldn’t let him have the children. It’s all documented in her own words in the court documents that served as enough evidence to be awarded a five year domestic violence restraining order.

Plus she had a full time nanny.

I’m no fan of Alice, but that is lies.

He was seeing the children before he left for his work trip.

He didn’t bother to seek contact upon his return. It took him one year to do so. And rather than just enjoying his time with his girls (who are willing to see him) he is trying to force them into a relationship with Bianca, which they have said they don’t want.

Ioan’s lack of relationship with his children is not all on Alice.

And her having a nanny is irrelevant.

MissFancyDay · 08/06/2023 18:00

Lovethatforyou · 08/06/2023 17:12

I follow both on social media, have followed the case, read all the court docs. Seen evidence of Alice’s many sock accounts.

IMO Ioan Gruffudd was a bloody saint to stay in the marriage as long as he did. He is a clear victim of domestic abuse - physical but mainly emotional. Once he got the courage to leave, whether that decision involved his current partner or not, Alice has been on the warpath since. She’s a very dangerous woman. She is also the common denominator in her failed relationships with her family, Ioan’s family, former friends and she now has a deserved five year restraining order against her.

Read the court documents, read the financial paperwork THEN form an opinion.

From what I see, IG is someone who escaped an abuser (who still continues to abuse him constantly and his partner) is fighting for his children and has been doing everything right - paying for everything, got them into therapy, meeting them on neutral ground, making sure they get home safely when they’ve walked out of visitation etc…

Also he has been with his partner for over 2 years… they live together.

The misconceptions on here are astounding and sickening.

The girls AND Ioan are the victims in this mess. And Bianca to an extent. However, she has the choice to leave it all behind her.

Also, if Ioan was the woman and Alice the man in all of this, it would be perceived very differently.

I agree. I have been following this awful story and have read the court documents.

Alice has treated him extraorinarily badly, during and after the marriage, I don't know how he stayed so long. And parental alienation is very clear.

I'll be honest, I don't really know what he has done wrong, except wait a bit too long to really fight for his children.

tigger2022 · 08/06/2023 18:18

NotSoBigCrocodile · 08/06/2023 17:32

Also, if Ioan was the woman and Alice the man in all of this, it would be perceived very differently.

That is bullshit.

If a woman:

• left the family home, citing abuse, but leaving the children behind
• leaves the children with her abusive, drunken ex to go to work on another continent for a few months
• announces a new partner on social media whilst on that work trip
• brings said partner back from work trip to immediately move in with them
• doesn’t pursue contact with the children via the courts for an entire year, but manages to (1) go to court for a restraining order and (2) manages to go on multiple holidays with their new partner (which is plastered all over their partner’s social media)
• when they finally decide to seek contact, cancelled the first two contact sessions to go on holiday with their partner
• despite the children not wishing to meet the new partner, ignores their wishes and forces them into a volatile situation with new partner

If a woman did all of that, she would be crucified.

Also it’s like people forget that she’s a teenager, not a little kid. The fact she’s not acting thrilled about it is not because her head has been poisoned.

tigger2022 · 08/06/2023 18:21

Stalkedbyzombies · 08/06/2023 17:43

I don't think she is perceived negatively across the board. She is an easy target because she wears her heart on her sleeve and doesn't have an edit button. The emotions expressed are in line with what a lot of people in acrimonious split situations may be feeling but may never communicate publicly.

I was in a similar situation on a much smaller scale, it was horrible. I worked with my ex (who was abusive) and he cheated on me with another colleague. It was horrible, everyone just turned on me. It was easier to believe I must have done something to deserve it than to believe he was just horrible. And then everything I did was judged. If I was emotional, I was mad. If I ignored it, I was cold. It’s such a horrible place to be in, and she’s going through it all publicly.

Cam22 · 08/06/2023 18:25

QuintanaRoo · 08/06/2023 07:35

Bless to you too. 😂

Lol

Merlin69 · 08/06/2023 19:15

Stalkedbyzombies · 08/06/2023 17:43

I don't think she is perceived negatively across the board. She is an easy target because she wears her heart on her sleeve and doesn't have an edit button. The emotions expressed are in line with what a lot of people in acrimonious split situations may be feeling but may never communicate publicly.

Comments on articles, comments on multiple forums, comments on social media etc. that I have seen are mostly negative for Alice. Even accepting that there will overlap in posters, I just don’t see anything but minimal support for her across the board.

Even on her own social media accounts the numbers of supporters are low. She doesn’t post much on instagram so when she does she gets a flurry of how are you/where have you been comments but even then it’s less than 500 comments despite her high follower count. On twitter she was more well known but she attracted less than 20 regular posters (and that’s being very kind with my estimation).

Taking strangers out of the equation for a minute, it tells me lots about her as a person that comments of real life support are so rare on her social media. The only person in her family prepared to come out to bat for her is one of her brothers (Bianca’s family are regularly commenting on her posts in support of her for example).

No one who knew Alice and Ioan as a couple are publicly supporting her, why is that (journalist or estate agent don’t really count since they come of of the woodwork when they wanted Alice’s cooperation for media content or real estate commission)?

I know people will say that people are worried about getting involved/taking sides but we all know that our real friends do take sides and have publicly supported us even if we’re in the wrong (and then gave us a talking to in private if need be).

Ioan has people willing to support him on his posts but Alice doesn’t, neither friend nor family or anyone in the industry.
For someone to have only one member of their family talking to them and no friends willing to go on record to say she was a great wife and mother, it doesn’t make sense unless that person is sooooo toxic that the reason there is no support is because people believe that she is capable of what she is/has been accused of (a drunk, an abusive wife, an abusive mother, an abusive daughter etc.).

Alice has no one of significance besides their daughters so I think she can’t bear for other people to have what she doesn’t. Worryingly I believe this extends to her children too, Alice doesn’t have her dad so ergo her children don’t need their dad. Anyone the children have in their lives (except for Alice) is someone she has to share them with and Alice doesn’t want to share because if the children aren’t with her, she has no one else, no one there who cares for her. I believe she is trying to isolate them so they don’t/can’t leave her.

The weird thing is I believe Alice would act like her children barely existed if she found someone to have a relationship with, I don’t think she’d care what disruption she caused them then. I think this is part of her rage, that Ioan found someone before she did, my guess is she always thought he was the inferior one of the pairing in that relationship. I don’t think it’s a conscious choice for her not to have a new relationship, I don’t think she can get another man because someone decent is hardly rushing to date someone with a restraining order.

NotSoBigCrocodile · 08/06/2023 19:17

Ella’s statement reads:

”anytime I mention my feelings or opinions to the Respondent, he calls me a liar and a gaslighter. He calls me a brat, calls me a manipulator, and a narcissist…he has threatened to call the police on me anytime I misbehave during his visitation time in the past 2 years.”

This is remarkably similar to the text message he sent to her saying that she would need to have therapy before he would see her again. I think that may have been in response to Ella being upset that Ioan refused contact with her at a theme park because of Bianca.

Merlin69 · 08/06/2023 19:18

tigger2022 · 08/06/2023 18:21

I was in a similar situation on a much smaller scale, it was horrible. I worked with my ex (who was abusive) and he cheated on me with another colleague. It was horrible, everyone just turned on me. It was easier to believe I must have done something to deserve it than to believe he was just horrible. And then everything I did was judged. If I was emotional, I was mad. If I ignored it, I was cold. It’s such a horrible place to be in, and she’s going through it all publicly.

I’m sorry that happened to you, those people made judgements on you without you saying anything.
With all due respect, people are making judgements against Alice not because she hasn’t said anything but, on the contrary, because of everything she has said

Merlin69 · 08/06/2023 19:22

Just to add about Alice not having an ‘edit’ button, this is the woman who went on her social media and declared to thousands of people (and her daughters who she said reads her tweets) that Ioan hated their eldest daughter.

That’s not someone who doesn’t have an ‘edit’ button, that’s someone who wanted revenge on her ex and didn’t care if her child was collateral damage in that, it was pure evil

Stalkedbyzombies · 08/06/2023 19:25

Merlin69 · 08/06/2023 19:15

Comments on articles, comments on multiple forums, comments on social media etc. that I have seen are mostly negative for Alice. Even accepting that there will overlap in posters, I just don’t see anything but minimal support for her across the board.

Even on her own social media accounts the numbers of supporters are low. She doesn’t post much on instagram so when she does she gets a flurry of how are you/where have you been comments but even then it’s less than 500 comments despite her high follower count. On twitter she was more well known but she attracted less than 20 regular posters (and that’s being very kind with my estimation).

Taking strangers out of the equation for a minute, it tells me lots about her as a person that comments of real life support are so rare on her social media. The only person in her family prepared to come out to bat for her is one of her brothers (Bianca’s family are regularly commenting on her posts in support of her for example).

No one who knew Alice and Ioan as a couple are publicly supporting her, why is that (journalist or estate agent don’t really count since they come of of the woodwork when they wanted Alice’s cooperation for media content or real estate commission)?

I know people will say that people are worried about getting involved/taking sides but we all know that our real friends do take sides and have publicly supported us even if we’re in the wrong (and then gave us a talking to in private if need be).

Ioan has people willing to support him on his posts but Alice doesn’t, neither friend nor family or anyone in the industry.
For someone to have only one member of their family talking to them and no friends willing to go on record to say she was a great wife and mother, it doesn’t make sense unless that person is sooooo toxic that the reason there is no support is because people believe that she is capable of what she is/has been accused of (a drunk, an abusive wife, an abusive mother, an abusive daughter etc.).

Alice has no one of significance besides their daughters so I think she can’t bear for other people to have what she doesn’t. Worryingly I believe this extends to her children too, Alice doesn’t have her dad so ergo her children don’t need their dad. Anyone the children have in their lives (except for Alice) is someone she has to share them with and Alice doesn’t want to share because if the children aren’t with her, she has no one else, no one there who cares for her. I believe she is trying to isolate them so they don’t/can’t leave her.

The weird thing is I believe Alice would act like her children barely existed if she found someone to have a relationship with, I don’t think she’d care what disruption she caused them then. I think this is part of her rage, that Ioan found someone before she did, my guess is she always thought he was the inferior one of the pairing in that relationship. I don’t think it’s a conscious choice for her not to have a new relationship, I don’t think she can get another man because someone decent is hardly rushing to date someone with a restraining order.

You obviously follow their lives and followings far more closely than I do. I don't think the last comment is fair though. The primary caregiver in a custody battle (usually the mother) is not likely to prioritise dating so that is not the reason why she is still single. She is a beautiful and articulate woman with a much stronger personality and better education than BW. Her daughters obviously prefer her care to that of IG and BW. She is going through a rough patch. When the dust settles, I'm sure she will find a much more compatible partner.

Merlin69 · 08/06/2023 19:38

NotSoBigCrocodile · 08/06/2023 19:17

Ella’s statement reads:

”anytime I mention my feelings or opinions to the Respondent, he calls me a liar and a gaslighter. He calls me a brat, calls me a manipulator, and a narcissist…he has threatened to call the police on me anytime I misbehave during his visitation time in the past 2 years.”

This is remarkably similar to the text message he sent to her saying that she would need to have therapy before he would see her again. I think that may have been in response to Ella being upset that Ioan refused contact with her at a theme park because of Bianca.

If I was so scared of my children that I felt I had to have a chaperone for visitation then I’d absolutely be pushing for as much therapy for us as a family that I could get, if that meant a delay in visitation then so be it.

It doesn’t make sense to presume Ioan just woke up one day and decided he wanted someone to supervise the visits for the sake of it, no more than we as parents would suddenly decide we only want to see our children in a contact centre. Something doesn’t make sense which usually means there’s more it than we know (perhaps more outbursts or things said).

Supervised visitation is also usually the last thing a potential abuser wants so if Alice is intimating that Ioan is capable of abuse, it wouldn’t make sense he would he push for supervision. She would also have to account for why she thinks he’s capable of abuse and if that included supposed past incidents then she’s finished as much as he is, anyone who knowingly covers for abuse is as bad as the abuser themselves.

Merlin69 · 08/06/2023 19:56

Stalkedbyzombies · 08/06/2023 19:25

You obviously follow their lives and followings far more closely than I do. I don't think the last comment is fair though. The primary caregiver in a custody battle (usually the mother) is not likely to prioritise dating so that is not the reason why she is still single. She is a beautiful and articulate woman with a much stronger personality and better education than BW. Her daughters obviously prefer her care to that of IG and BW. She is going through a rough patch. When the dust settles, I'm sure she will find a much more compatible partner.

I do actually follow this closely because it’s a situation that horrifies me so much I’m watching and hoping for the best outcome for the children.

I’m not going to compare Alice’s looks to Bianca’s because whilst I have my opinion on it, I don’t think it matters in the sense that I don’t believe it was a factor in Ioan leaving. Whatever we think of Alice, Ioan clearly finds Bianca a more attractive person (and attraction can be lots beyond looks).

I don’t doubt Alice has a decent education, it’s a shame that she’s not putting it to use though. Did you know in a recent post her brother shared that Alice admitted to taking money from the parents of her children’s friends to pay her bills? I’m appalled that Alice would rather beg than use her education to get a job to pay her share for her children. Let’s say for arguments sake that Ioan wasn’t paying child support, what low-life mother decides they don’t have to financially support their children either?!
Sorry but as a mother, that would never be me, I’d do any job I had to so I could feed the children that I brought into the world. I wouldn’t be so arrogant, selfish or lazy to expect other people to do it.

Jifmicroliquid · 08/06/2023 20:01

diddl · 08/06/2023 08:55

Maybe she would have liked some time with just her dad?

That doesn't excuse the above but time & again parents seem to feel that as they want to be with someone so will their kids!

They have a mother posting all over SM.

Where's the thought for the kids from either of them?

Totally understandable. But at 13, if something happened in my family that upset or annoyed me, I sure as anything knew that chucking food and drink around like a tantrum-fuelled toddler wasn’t going to get me anything other than to be grounded and told they would discuss it with me when I could act my age!

aSofaNearYou · 08/06/2023 20:02

She is a beautiful and articulate woman with a much stronger personality and better education than BW.

This comment seems pretty unnecessary.

Vivi0 · 08/06/2023 20:04

Merlin69 · 08/06/2023 19:38

If I was so scared of my children that I felt I had to have a chaperone for visitation then I’d absolutely be pushing for as much therapy for us as a family that I could get, if that meant a delay in visitation then so be it.

It doesn’t make sense to presume Ioan just woke up one day and decided he wanted someone to supervise the visits for the sake of it, no more than we as parents would suddenly decide we only want to see our children in a contact centre. Something doesn’t make sense which usually means there’s more it than we know (perhaps more outbursts or things said).

Supervised visitation is also usually the last thing a potential abuser wants so if Alice is intimating that Ioan is capable of abuse, it wouldn’t make sense he would he push for supervision. She would also have to account for why she thinks he’s capable of abuse and if that included supposed past incidents then she’s finished as much as he is, anyone who knowingly covers for abuse is as bad as the abuser themselves.

If I was so scared of my children…

Are you serious?

You can’t be suggesting that Ioan is actually afraid of his what, 9 and 12 year old daughters?

That might truly be one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever read on here.

Shhhquirrel · 08/06/2023 20:11

CwmYoy · 08/06/2023 08:50

I feel so sorry for the children in this.

I saw a lot of the early reporting and the mother does seem to have lost control. He has a restraining order on her and they don't just give them away.

Maybe the marriage was already over, he says it was - she doesn't seem to have been very supportive of him.

Mother is still lashing out and thinking only of herself.

he shouldn't have forced a meeting with his new partner, though.

she doesn't seem to have been very supportive of him.

Seriously? She put her career on hold to look after their children.
I am very Suspicious of the fact he has been so quick to ‘silence’ her with restraining orders, he comes across as controlling.

QuintanaRoo · 08/06/2023 20:21

Vivi0 · 08/06/2023 20:04

If I was so scared of my children…

Are you serious?

You can’t be suggesting that Ioan is actually afraid of his what, 9 and 12 year old daughters?

That might truly be one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever read on here.

I assumed the post meant scared about what the children may say/do/accuse him of rather than being scared of them per se, ie not scared of them physically. Certainly seems like Alice has hinted that the kids could say xyz about their dad if they decided to do so and cause problems.

diddl · 08/06/2023 20:23

Seriously? She put her career on hold to look after their children.

Which was surely her choice?

In return he has been the main breadwinner & they seem to have lived a good lifestyle.

The girls are older & there is/was a nanny.

She probably could have worked if she had wanted to.

Stalkedbyzombies · 08/06/2023 20:26

aSofaNearYou · 08/06/2023 20:02

She is a beautiful and articulate woman with a much stronger personality and better education than BW.

This comment seems pretty unnecessary.

You shouldn't quote out of context. It was in reply to the comment that no other man would want to date Alice. That was unnecessary.

Nicknacky · 08/06/2023 20:29

Alice did work after she had children so I don’t think it’s as simple as her career stalled because she was looking after kids.

aSofaNearYou · 08/06/2023 20:30

You shouldn't quote out of context. It was in reply to the comment that no other man would want to date Alice. That was unnecessary.

Yes, but it was still unnecessary to say she was better than BW.

Stalkedbyzombies · 08/06/2023 20:42

aSofaNearYou · 08/06/2023 20:30

You shouldn't quote out of context. It was in reply to the comment that no other man would want to date Alice. That was unnecessary.

Yes, but it was still unnecessary to say she was better than BW.

Where did I say that?

She is a beautiful and articulate woman with a much stronger personality and better education than BW.

I said that she has a stronger personality and is better educated. I stand by it.

Stalkedbyzombies · 08/06/2023 20:45

Anyway, I'm not going to be dragged into a fangirling feud because I'm not overly-invested in the case as some of you are. Have fun.